THE POLICE IN NORTH YORKSHIRE ?

[ArchieHood 3,692]

16 minutes ago, Jobi said:

Not my fault you're backwards... 

....and not my fault you're gullible......

[Jobi 387]

37 minutes ago, ArchieHood said:

....and not my fault you're gullible......

News to me.....

[steve66 3,075]

think there was a big crack down on motorists and bikers on sunday in north yorks, police where everywhere even sat on some of the back roads ,plenty of camera vans about and police bikes 

[waltjnr 5,952]

9 hours ago, waltjnr said:

The Ruby Turner? 

The soul singer often seen with Jools Holland! Thought I was thick!  

[gnasher16 29,570]

Private plates that need f****n about with to make the word you want are so pony....just save up for the word you do want !

[Nicepix 5,650]

I don't think C11NTS still exists

[WILF 44,163]

On 09/09/2019 at 08:08, Nicepix said:

Change the car before any MOT is due. Which leads us to who fitted the non conforming plates? I can't see that a new car dealer would risk a fine by fitting these plates so the OP may have had them made as 'show plates' and fitted them themselves. Anyone including myself can lose concentration and drift above the speed limit. Anyone including myself can pick up a mobile phone and have a quick look to see who has just called or sent a text. But to deliberately have unlawful custom plates made and have them fitted to a succession of cars is not necessity or oversight. It is vanity, pure and simple. Might be trivial. But you are placing yourself above the law for no other reason. A VDR entails that you visit a MOT station with conforming plates fitted, pay the small fee to the garage and send the completed paperwork in. No fine. No points.

The manner of the stop  might or might not be able to be explained; I've followed cars I wanted to stop for almost a mile with blues and flashing headlights on and the driver hasn't seen them or reacted to them. Only when the horns are deployed do you get the driver's full attention.  Same when you are trying to make progress. The blues help, but the twos are the thing that gets you noticed.

See, to me, this is where you the cozzer and Joe public part ways.....when you write that it sounds like you take it very seriously (which I’m sure you do/did) but your ordinary bloke who is completely law abiding 99.99999% of the time and after sitting watching the evening news with reports of people being murdered right, left and centre, gangs of Asians raping young girls at will for years on end, home invasion, car theft, violent crime........that bloke can not for one minute fathom why you are wasting your time hassling him about his number plate.

Nor can any other sane person who lives in the normal sphere of life and who don’t work for a government so obviously greedy for fines and income any way they can get it.

He supports the police in the work they do and then, BANG!, he has an encounter like this and thinks “what the f**k?”

All of a sudden, there’s another bloke who thinks “f**k em, pricks!” And I don’t see how that helps you do a job that could get done 10 times better with a public fully on board.......to me, it dont make any sense.

jmho of course 

Edited to add:

Theres an old saying “Pick your battles” and I think in a lot of day to day interaction  with the general public the police seem to be picking the wrong ones......they are giving the builder a ticket for doing 35 in a 30 when the bloke may have had all the tools nicked out of his van a week previous and nobody even turned up at his house when he phoned up to report it because it’s just so common.

Edited September 11, 2019 by WILF

[WILF 44,163]

I have witnessed it all ways round, cozzer’s who are dealing with heavy lads are horrible c**ts because they are dealing with horrible c**ts.....everyone knows the rules of the game and take it in the chin.

 

However, for your every day Joe Soap it’s not like that.

Take my old area, they moved in half of London and now South Essex Police can’t cope.....utter scumbags are operating almost at will.

Stabbings, home invasion, car theft, theft of tools, drugs.....it’s f***ing howling and it’s getting worse.

If you phone the plod, nobody comes (that’s if you can get through on the silly 101 number which you can’t!) 

However, what they can cope with is mounting silly road traffic operations 30 handed with every sort of motor and motorbike known to man and lecturing school mums about window tints or some poor b*****d who works at Tesco because he was 3 mph over the limit and taking £100 quid they can’t afford off them......it’s total and utter bollocks when those people’s kids ain’t safe to go out and the people themselves ain’t safe in their own homes.

And they wonder then why there is animosity towards the police.....f**k me, any random lad from the locality could drive down the street and spot all the scumbags who are at it but your cozzer can’t ?

This is the stuff that just dont make sense to most people.

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

See, to me, this is where you the cozzer and Joe public part ways.....when you write that it sounds like you take it very seriously (which I’m sure you do/did) but your ordinary bloke who is completely law abiding 99.99999% of the time and after sitting watching the evening news with reports of people being murdered right, left and centre, gangs of Asians raping young girls at will for years on end, home invasion, car theft, violent crime........that bloke can not for one minute fathom why you are wasting your time hassling him about his number plate.

Nor can any other sane person who lives in the normal sphere of life and who don’t work for a government so obviously greedy for fines and income any way they can get it.

He supports the police in the work they do and then, BANG!, he has an encounter like this and thinks “what the f**k?”

All of a sudden, there’s another bloke who thinks “f**k em, pricks!” And I don’t see how that helps you do a job that could get done 10 times better with a public fully on board.......to me, it dont make any sense.

jmho of course 

Edited to add:

Theres an old saying “Pick your battles” and I think in a lot of day to day interaction  with the general public the police seem to be picking the wrong ones......they are giving the builder a ticket for doing 35 in a 30 when the bloke may have had all the tools nicked out of his van a week previous and nobody even turned up at his house when he phoned up to report it because it’s just so common.

You won't get any arguments from me about pi$$ing the public off by issuing tickets. I fought that battle on your behalf and it was only my ability to catch thieves and warrant dodgers that allowed my gaffers to turn a blind eye to my continual reluctance to meet the traffic ticket quotas.

The point that you are missing is that fitting non-compliant plates is a deliberate act. It takes time, effort and planning. Just like a theft in that respect. You don't accidentally dip someone's pocket or find yourself with a dodgy number plate that triggers an ANPR camera, or avoids it. What you are doing is putting yourself above the law for reasons of vanity or in some cases to avoid speeding fines. The copper who pulled the OP might have had an ANPR activation from the altered plate and this causes suspicion. I've stopped  cars that have had bits of black tape on the plate to disguise the number. Usually for criminal purposes. The OP knew what he was doing and shouldn't come whining on here about the matter. That is my point.

The point you make about the builder getting a ticket after he has been victim of theft is invalid and unfortunately one of those things all bobbies have to overcome. Being a victim of crime doesn't give you immunity from the law. I totally agree that his theft should have been properly investigated. I haven't time here to fully explain what is wrong with the police, but it started with the introduction of mobile phones. That caused a massive increase in calls of a minor nature. Around the same time there was a move to save money by centralising control rooms. This meant that those calls of a minor nature weren't dealt with in a couple of minutes by an old, experienced copper. But were allocated an incident number and allocated to a response officer who had to travel to the caller's address and deal with. It is much harder to deal quickly with a trivial matter in person than on the phone.  This entailed much more time being spent on non-core activities. And, because of other factors bobbies started to patrol double-crewed. I worked single-crewed for most of my career because I could be trusted to do that without skiving and could look after myself. 'Elf & Safety however has dictated that almost all response officers should now be paired up. So now two go to the crap jobs. And all this PC malarky means that we now have 50:50 male:female officers instead of 6:1 and when all those females go off with pregnancy issues followed by 9 months maternity leave followed by requests for family friendly shifts means that the poor old white heterosexual male who is being overlooked for all the specialist posts has to fill in for more than their fair share of public order duties as many of the women on his duty group don't work evenings and weekends. But get the same pay.

Add all this to other factors such as social media "My ex's partner has called me a twat on FB" which accounted for about 30% of my jobs in the last few years and the rules imposed by government so that certain calls have to be attended within 45 minutes including domestics, racial and homophobic allegations even if the actual incident happened weeks ago and you will realise why they haven't got time to send someone to a shed break or theft from van. They don't even send bobbies to burglaries which I think is disgraceful.

Blunkett didn't help with his Plastic Police and each successive government has eroded the police's ability to do their job. Many senior officers are bent and in it for what they can get out of it for themselves. I had a price put on my head by my last Chief because of the embarrassing facts I raised on the force intranet about his private business affairs. This was the guy who presided over the Rotherham sex scandal and under MPs scrutiny continually claimed not to remember anything. While all that was happening he was lining his and retired senior police officer's pockets with lucrative Road Safety contracts paid for by ACPO which is paid for by you.  

The upshot of it is that the current policing model is fecked.

Edited September 11, 2019 by Nicepix

[slip lead 862]

99.9% of today's old bill are politically correct c**ts

[slip lead 862]

[gnasher16 29,570]

11 minutes ago, slip lead said:

Its not the fault of the police that third world scum want to spend their days recreating all the squalor they supposedly came here to get away from.

[WILF 44,163]

1 hour ago, Nicepix said:

You won't get any arguments from me about pi$$ing the public off by issuing tickets. I fought that battle on your behalf and it was only my ability to catch thieves and warrant dodgers that allowed my gaffers to turn a blind eye to my continual reluctance to meet the traffic ticket quotas.

The point that you are missing is that fitting non-compliant plates is a deliberate act. It takes time, effort and planning. Just like a theft in that respect. You don't accidentally dip someone's pocket or find yourself with a dodgy number plate that triggers an ANPR camera, or avoids it. What you are doing is putting yourself above the law for reasons of vanity or in some cases to avoid speeding fines. The copper who pulled the OP might have had an ANPR activation from the altered plate and this causes suspicion. I've stopped  cars that have had bits of black tape on the plate to disguise the number. Usually for criminal purposes. The OP knew what he was doing and shouldn't come whining on here about the matter. That is my point.

The point you make about the builder getting a ticket after he has been victim of theft is invalid and unfortunately one of those things all bobbies have to overcome. Being a victim of crime doesn't give you immunity from the law. I totally agree that his theft should have been properly investigated. I haven't time here to fully explain what is wrong with the police, but it started with the introduction of mobile phones. That caused a massive increase in calls of a minor nature. Around the same time there was a move to save money by centralising control rooms. This meant that those calls of a minor nature weren't dealt with in a couple of minutes by an old, experienced copper. But were allocated an incident number and allocated to a response officer who had to travel to the caller's address and deal with. It is much harder to deal quickly with a trivial matter in person than on the phone.  This entailed much more time being spent on non-core activities. And, because of other factors bobbies started to patrol double-crewed. I worked single-crewed for most of my career because I could be trusted to do that without skiving and could look after myself. 'Elf & Safety however has dictated that almost all response officers should now be paired up. So now two go to the crap jobs. And all this PC malarky means that we now have 50:50 male:female officers instead of 6:1 and when all those females go off with pregnancy issues followed by 9 months maternity leave followed by requests for family friendly shifts means that the poor old white heterosexual male who is being overlooked for all the specialist posts has to fill in for more than their fair share of public order duties as many of the women on his duty group don't work evenings and weekends. But get the same pay.

Add all this to other factors such as social media "My ex's partner has called me a twat on FB" which accounted for about 30% of my jobs in the last few years and the rules imposed by government so that certain calls have to be attended within 45 minutes including domestics, racial and homophobic allegations even if the actual incident happened weeks ago and you will realise why they haven't got time to send someone to a shed break or theft from van. They don't even send bobbies to burglaries which I think is disgraceful.

Blunkett didn't help with his Plastic Police and each successive government has eroded the police's ability to do their job. Many senior officers are bent and in it for what they can get out of it for themselves. I had a price put on my head by my last Chief because of the embarrassing facts I raised on the force intranet about his private business affairs. This was the guy who presided over the Rotherham sex scandal and under MPs scrutiny continually claimed not to remember anything. While all that was happening he was lining his and retired senior police officer's pockets with lucrative Road Safety contracts paid for by ACPO which is paid for by you.  

The upshot of it is that the current policing model is fecked.

Now that chief is a great reply and one I can fully sympathise with massive parts of.

I take your point about the number plate being a deliberate act but I personally dont think that the majority of people would class themselves the same as a thief because they want their number plate lettering a certain way......I bet it just don’t cross their mind.

If they thought about in the way you describe they just wouldn’t do it same as they wouldn’t dream of breaking in a house.

In the OPs scenario it was obvious I assume to the officer as soon as he approached the car that it was being driven by an older lady and the assumption would obviously be that she probably isn’t carrying a boot full of knocked off Rembrants so a simple open the window “sort that number plate, on you go” would have almost certainly been enough......10 seconds, job done.

I suppose the difference is how much each individual officer buys into all the crap that those above tell them they have to......whatever they do, it’s not winning many friends amongst the public from what I can see.

 

[Nicepix 5,650]

The OP would have to have ordered the plates from a company that supplied 'Show Plates'  and is legally obliged to inform customers that these plates should not be used on road vehicles. When you buy a new car the dealer will not fit that type of plates so you have to change the ones they put on for the ones you have had made. When you come to trade in the car you have to change them back again. All this requires knowledge of what you are doing and has to be deliberate.

Just because the bobby discovered that the car was being driven by an old lady doesn't mean that the car was legit. People unwittingly buy stolen cars all the time.

And unfortunately the friendly warnings go unheeded. As I understand it the OP was given a VDR. That is a notice to get it sorted in 14 days at a minimal cost. It used to be a tenner to the MOT station when I left the job. Fit the correct plates, turn up at a MOT station, pay the tenner and post the completed paperwork - simple!  No points, no fine. Just a bit of inconvenience similar to what the OP would have done to get the show  plates on the car in the first place.

If you play the game you have to expect to lose now and again.

[WILF 44,163]

5 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

The OP would have to have ordered the plates from a company that supplied 'Show Plates'  and is legally obliged to inform customers that these plates should not be used on road vehicles. When you buy a new car the dealer will not fit that type of plates so you have to change the ones they put on for the ones you have had made. When you come to trade in the car you have to change them back again. All this requires knowledge of what you are doing and has to be deliberate.

Just because the bobby discovered that the car was being driven by an old lady doesn't mean that the car was legit. People unwittingly buy stolen cars all the time.

And unfortunately the friendly warnings go unheeded. As I understand it the OP was given a VDR. That is a notice to get it sorted in 14 days at a minimal cost. It used to be a tenner to the MOT station when I left the job. Fit the correct plates, turn up at a MOT station, pay the tenner and post the completed paperwork - simple!  No points, no fine. Just a bit of inconvenience similar to what the OP would have done to get the show  plates on the car in the first place.

If you play the game you have to expect to lose now and again.

Fair enough, I may not completely agree with your sentiment but I can respect the way you have conducted yourself in your reply.

Everyone see’s things different and I am cool with that.