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3 hours ago, Balaur said:

It's a market, and I've seen dogs exist on corn flour abroad, think it all goes a bit extreme, fair play to lads that hunt 5 days a week and do all nighters regular but that's a minority. Mine do okay but plenty of biscuit as I work away a lot and it's convenient, but they get rice pasta bread scraps and meat etc. Just about giving them a decent diet so we can get the best out of them...

I think you're right there mate. The last say 10 years, it's all getting a more than a bit anal. Kin el, years ago our dogs were lucky to get a tin of chappie everyday, and there'd be NO table scraps, .......... COS THERE WEREN'T ANY!!! We HAD to eat what was on our plates, no ifs, ands, or buts 😄👍

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4 hours ago, Phil Lloyd said:

Those chicken bits are so easy to feed to the dogs, I buy a few boxes in and bag-up a few in separate freezer bags.:clapper:

Unfortunately, whereas, once upon a time, tripes, lamb ribs and chicken carcases were ridiculously cheap, nowadays, ( unless you have a contact), the raw feeding option, needs a wee bit more planning. It's crazy, but when I trained as a youth, I also smoked like a factory chimney, yet, I still got by...and when I was running a team of lurchers, on the lamp, all along the South coast, frequently every night, two weeks on, one week off, my dogs all caught good numbers of rabbits, on a regular basis, and all on a big feck-off bowl, of Vitalin! 

Makes yer wonder, doesn't it...🤔

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I raced a string of greyhounds and worked a couple of lurchers on vitalin and fish waste in the 80s, they did well on it. Pretty much all improved their times from their previous kennels. 

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I’ve talked to a few farmers over the years who have working collies about the farm and not one of them feed BARF. They simply don’t have the time or inclination to mess about feeding that way when a few scoops out of a bag will suffice, and these dogs cover a lot of ground during a day and manage. 

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6 minutes ago, sandymere said:

I raced a string of greyhounds and a couple of lurchers on vitalin and fish waste in the 80s, they did well on it. Pretty much all improved their times from their previous kennels. 

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Vitalin lol, I remember one of my mates feeding that to his dogs when it first came out. He didn't stick with it for too long though. To be fair the dogs looked ok on it, but my god, their shit was all over the place, and it had one of the most rancid odours I can remember lol.  Think it was about £4 a bag lol

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5 minutes ago, Allan P said:

I’ve talked to a few farmers over the years who have working collies about the farm and not one of them feed BARF. They simply don’t have the time or inclination to mess about feeding that way when a few scoops out of a bag will suffice, and these dogs cover a lot of ground during a day and manage. 

You know what mate, even though I've gone the whole distance regarding feeding the dogs, I do sometimes think it's all in our heads, and we tend to believe in all the scientific waffle. 'Working dogs' need 19.35% of feed per pound of bodyweight, or whatever these scientific number crunchers come up with etc, and we feel as though we're not giving our dogs the care and good nutrition they deserve if we don't strictly follow all the 'science' lol. Madness 👍

 

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2 minutes ago, shaaark said:

You know what mate, even though I've gone the whole distance regarding feeding the dogs, I do sometimes think it's all in our heads, and we tend to believe in all the scientific waffle. 'Working dogs' need 19.35% of feed per pound of bodyweight, or whatever these scientific number crunchers come up with etc, and we feel as though we're not giving our dogs the care and good nutrition they deserve if we don't strictly follow all the 'science' lol. Madness 👍

 

The more I think about It, it is more about how we feel than the dogs do imo. I switched to raw and guess what he’s still average to useless, it’s just easier picking his shit up. 

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1 minute ago, Allan P said:

The more I think about It, it is more about how we feel than the dogs do imo. I switched to raw and guess what he’s still average to useless, it’s just easier picking his shit up. 

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1 hour ago, Allan P said:

I’ve talked to a few farmers over the years who have working collies about the farm and not one of them feed BARF. They simply don’t have the time or inclination to mess about feeding that way when a few scoops out of a bag will suffice, and these dogs cover a lot of ground during a day and manage. 

I grew up with working sheepdogs and cattle dogs, Allan,...and you are spot-on regarding how these essential animals, are often fed.

Our dogs were trained to a certain standard, then passed on to others, for finishing...

We also sold sheepdogs that were hill worn on the Welsh mountains, onto farmers in the low-lands of Kent.

 My family had dozens of dogs and my Dad would never countenance feeding flesh, to a sheepdog... 

They feared that the raw meat, especially dead lambs, might encourage the dogs to have a chomp...

How fecking silly, eh...🙄

Mercifully, times have changed....nowadays I get a real kick out of grubbing my dogs well,.I like to see them enjoying their tucker, same as me on a nice hot Jalfrezi...😁

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Phil Lloyd said:

I grew up with working sheepdogs and cattle dogs, Allan,...and you are spot-on regarding how these essential animals, are often fed.

Our dogs were trained to a certain standard, then passed on to others, for finishing...

We also sold sheepdogs that were hill worn on the Welsh mountains, onto farmers in the low-lands of Kent.

 My family had dozens of dogs and my Dad would never countenance feeding flesh, to a sheepdog... 

They feared that the raw meat, especially dead lambs, might encourage the dogs to have a chomp...

How fecking silly, eh...🙄

Mercifully, times have changed....nowadays I get a real kick out of grubbing my dogs well,.I like to see them enjoying their tucker, same as me on a nice hot Jalfrezi...😁

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Like been said lots a shepherds still fear meat, but there’s a few clued up ones about 😉

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1 hour ago, shaaark said:

You know what mate, even though I've gone the whole distance regarding feeding the dogs, I do sometimes think it's all in our heads, and we tend to believe in all the scientific waffle. 'Working dogs' need 19.35% of feed per pound of bodyweight, or whatever these scientific number crunchers come up with etc, and we feel as though we're not giving our dogs the care and good nutrition they deserve if we don't strictly follow all the 'science' lol. Madness 👍

 

That's about fair I do believe this they'll get used e e tially ra what ya give them I remember the vitalin split peas and maze chuck food really but here's the thing back a while on the hebs the farmers ran clues all day e ety day o. The great new snap wilsons its just that bit of greyhound makes a different jukel that when grafted had at times needs better snapp. My jaz does equally well on tripe twelve petce t protein. The gain twrnty high protein. Fa her but she nothing but nearly a sheperd  atb bill

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2 hours ago, Phil Lloyd said:

I grew up with working sheepdogs and cattle dogs, Allan,...and you are spot-on regarding how these essential animals, are often fed.

Our dogs were trained to a certain standard, then passed on to others, for finishing...

We also sold sheepdogs that were hill worn on the Welsh mountains, onto farmers in the low-lands of Kent.

 My family had dozens of dogs and my Dad would never countenance feeding flesh, to a sheepdog... 

They feared that the raw meat, especially dead lambs, might encourage the dogs to have a chomp...

How fecking silly, eh...🙄

Mercifully, times have changed....nowadays I get a real kick out of grubbing my dogs well,.I like to see them enjoying their tucker, same as me on a nice hot Jalfrezi...😁

 

 

Yes I have to admit it gives me ‘an enormous sense of well being” driving up to Dartmoor at first light walking round watching rabbits disappear time and time again  ,driving back and feeding the dog the best raw grub money can buy and nothing to show for it apart from firm dog turds, what’s not to like? :)  

 

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Carnt remember which topic it was on or who was asking about salmon heads, the local supplier to me does them for a pound each. Mail order frozen in two polystyrene boxes is £12 delivery they hold about 50lb in weight.

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6 minutes ago, joe ox said:

Carnt remember which topic it was on or who was asking about salmon heads, the local supplier to me does them for a pound each. Mail order frozen in two polystyrene boxes is £12 delivery they hold about 50lb in weight.

I've never seen a Salmon head, is there much meat on them?

Has anyone an image of one?

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1 minute ago, Phil Lloyd said:

I've never seen a Salmon head, is there much meat on one?

Has anyone an image of one?

I have never used them, there was some pictures on another topic but carnt remember which one it was.

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