Why has Hancock no pups for sale?

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10 hours ago, darbo said:

Hillman collie

Looks a great build to put on a decent greyhound- and well done to anyone who can get one to stand still long enough for a good pic! lol

[Aussie Whip 3,819]

4 minutes ago, Phil Lloyd said:

in both canines, something very feral and genuinely wild, still exists

Its hard to deny dingo blood when you see the pic of your yellow sheep dog.I know for sure Aust cattle dogs have at least 1/4 wild dog in them,and I've seen kelpies with big dingo heads and squinty eyes,so they too are obvious of the blood.The wild look your talking about may come from developing in areas that dingo's live and the working dogs living a semi feral existence there.Even so I believe a large portion of kelpie lines carry the blood.There is a lot of evidence cattle farmed in dingo country are ever hardly harassed and the land is in better shape with them around.Most cockies here will disagree.

[Aussie Whip 3,819]

The savagery that the oz cattle dog has comes I believe from the dingo,my mate had a straight cross dingo/shepherd that would try to kill intruders.

[billhardy 2,341]

57 minutes ago, Phil Lloyd said:

Sensible words fellah...

I've relatives in both Australia and New Zealand and knowing my interest in Herding dogs, they have always forwarded information, back home.

It is a long story,  and hopefully, one to be told (at a later date) but in the 1980s, before I bred my Cattle Dog lurchers,...my main priority was in importing some Kelpie blood.  Unfortunately, I got kinda sidetracked.....things happened...

Anyway, its no matter,...however,..I do recall Australian sheep shearers that I've chatted with, telling me, that in many outback areas,..the dingo, is quite rightly hated with a vengeance. The farming folk have no time for the critter.

Now, I personally rate this amazing wild canid and admire his tenacity and will to survive., but then, I ain't a sheep farmer!.....

The lads told me, that out there, it is a fair old insult to call a man, a dirty dingo...

 Therefore,.the last thing a sheep farmer or stockman is going to brag about is how he surreptitiously bred Dingo blood, into his working dogs...

Recent DNA tests seem to prove, that there are no wild dog genes in the Kelpie,.and having scant scientific training or knowledge myself, I would have to concede to that maxim,..however, as a  man who once tried to improve his own style of working dog, by taking a walk on the wild side,.I would have to question the voracity of the claim.

I am fairly convinced that the Australian Cattle Dog shows definite wild dog traits,..whereas the Kelpie is a far more refined and versatile worker, yet in my mind,.deep down, in both canines, something very feral and genuinely wild, still exists 

 

 

Spot on Phil said sitting relaxed on the fence so ta speak lol atb bill

[Black neck 15,156]

8 hours ago, Aussie Whip said:

Mostly VB around me but your on the right track.

Me brother spent bit time in oz said u couldn't get a fosters nowhere the dont drink it and I dunt blame them

[Black neck 15,156]

Just now, Black neck said:

Me brother spent bit time in oz said u couldn't get a fosters nowhere the dont drink it and I dunt blame them

Victoria bitter 

Aup just quoted mesen gerrin like our William 

[eastcoast 3,721]

20 hours ago, billhardy said:

Has a lad we owned a corgi terrier Xs great little vermin dog went ta ground would work all endless stamina great constitution little Toby remember him like yesterday and the the corgi like ta hit stock in the hock area like the cattle dogs and kelpies atb bill

My 1st dog was a Corgi x Russell. Not the best of dogs though. Bad with other dogs and not that good with people either. The scars are still noticible from times when I had to intervene to save him or his victim. Not the kind of dog that would survive long today as a family pet. Crazy thing is we used to open the front door on a morning and let him out to roam the estate until my parents came back from work or myself from school. Not that my parents were anti-social irresponsible people, it was the norm back then. Not sure who hated him the most though, the neighbours, the neighbours dogs, the postman or the milkman. Actually, my parents probably disliked him the most. He was a little b*****d.

He could catch and kill rats but was no good at finding them and I never trusted him with ferrets. Even got the chance to find his weight with legitimate opponents but his fearlessness to take on anything with 4 legs above ground was not replicated below ground. I will not call him coward though. He was not bred for work and was not reared or trained for work and was probably what we would class today as mentally unstable.   

I look back on him with great fondness. He never intentionally bit me and played a great part in developing my interest in working dogs. The 1st dog that I tried to hunt with. These photographs are all I have to remind me of him. These photographs and the scars on my hands and arms.

Edited August 22, 2019 by eastcoast
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[dytkos 17,528]

My first was a Cairn X Corgi, looked like a Russell so that's what it was rip Patch 1972

Cheers, D.

[billhardy 2,341]

1 hour ago, eastcoast said:

My 1st dog was a Corgi x Russell. Not the best of dogs though. Bad with other dogs and not that good with people either. The scars are still noticible from times when I had to intervene to save him or his victim. Not the kind of dog that would survive long today as a family pet. Crazy thing is we used to open the front door on a morning and let him out to roam the estate until my parents came back from work or myself from school. Not that my parents were anti-social irresponsible people, it was the norm back then. Not sure who hated him the most though, the neighbours, the neighbours dogs, the postman or the milkman. Actually, my parents probably disliked him the most. He was a little b*****d.

He could catch and kill rats but was no good at finding them and I never trusted him with ferrets. Even got the chance to find his weight with legitimate opponents but his fearlessness to take on anything with 4 legs above ground was not replicated below ground. I will not call him coward though. He was not bred for work and was not reared or trained for work and was probably what we would class today as mentally unstable.   

I look back on him with great fondness. He never intentionally bit me and played a great part in developing my interest in working dogs. The 1st dog that I tried to hunt with. These photographs are all I have to remind me of him. These photographs and the scars on my hands and arms.

Ounds a right little b*****d lol

[Aussie Whip 3,819]

16 hours ago, Aussie Whip said:

The savagery that the oz cattle dog has comes I believe from the dingo,my mate had a straight cross dingo/shepherd that would try to kill intruders.

Seriously,every rough ass country town around here has heelers in compounds around businesses.The dogs have an inbuilt hated of indigenous people,which seem to do most of the thieving.I had a straight cross heeler/dingo I bought to protect my kids when young.I ended up having to lock it away from them for their safety.I ended up giving it to a rural fencing bloke,and turned out perfect to protect his ute when in town.

[C.green 3,203]

Is it a natural trait the sharpness of these herding dogs or is it just generally as there quite unsoicalised dogs ? Genuinly interested as the few ive seen all had that funny look but there owners didnt need/want them to be any other way. 

Edited August 23, 2019 by C.green

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

 Thought-provoking queries ...that is what I like to hear...

I'm no authority on the breed,..but what l I can say, is that Australian Cattle Dogs, exhibit several wild dog traits, that are different from other types, that I have kept.

They are naturally suspicious of strangers, even when brought up in a family environment....

 This is a completely different behaviour pattern, to that, exhibited by specialist-bred guard/protection type breeds.

My own Cattle dog hybrids were no problem, once you had introduced them to new folk, and strange dogs...

 Once you were in their pack,..everything was kosher,..no dramas,....until we met the next bunch of unfamiliar faces...

Funny wee jukels,...good-hearted,...but kinda different...

[colliejohn 840]

1 hour ago, Phil Lloyd said:

 Thought-provoking queries ...that is what I like to hear...

I'm no authority on the breed,..but what l I can say, is that Australian Cattle Dogs, exhibit several wild dog traits, that are different from other types, that I have kept.

They are naturally suspicious of strangers, even when brought up in a family environment....

 This is a completely different behaviour pattern, to that, exhibited by specialist-bred guard/protection type breeds.

My own Cattle dog hybrids were no problem, once you had introduced them to new folk, and strange dogs...

 Once you were in their pack,..everything was kosher,..no dramas,....until we met the next bunch of unfamiliar faces...

Funny wee jukels,...good-hearted,...but kinda different...

Lovely looking dogs well put together, my type of dogs sadly a rarity nowadays. Regards Collie John.

[C.green 3,203]

Makes sense what youve put there phil. Just naturally funny animals aint they. I will try a pure one day in the future just to see what we can get it doing.

[jigsaw 11,809]

5 hours ago, Phil Lloyd said:

 Thought-provoking queries ...that is what I like to hear...

I'm no authority on the breed,..but what l I can say, is that Australian Cattle Dogs, exhibit several wild dog traits, that are different from other types, that I have kept.

They are naturally suspicious of strangers, even when brought up in a family environment....

 This is a completely different behaviour pattern, to that, exhibited by specialist-bred guard/protection type breeds.

My own Cattle dog hybrids were no problem, once you had introduced them to new folk, and strange dogs...

 Once you were in their pack,..everything was kosher,..no dramas,....until we met the next bunch of unfamiliar faces...

Funny wee jukels,...good-hearted,...but kinda different...

absolute stunners ,id settle for one of them critters anyday,dont think i could do them justice but id sure try