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1 hour ago, baker boy said:

Thats what he said mate

He said a lot of things...ūüėĀ

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Has the type that existed before been improved? A genuine question.

I did not know D B Plummer and have no axe to grind. Some say he developed this type on an ego trip wanting fame and a sort of immortality. But some of it makes sense.

As much as I know is that the type originated from existing working Russell types that were found lacking in nose and courage. Beagle was introduced to improve nose and fighting dog for courage.  Some Russells can hunt like Beagles. If a certain line was lacking in that department outcross to a terrier line that has nose or do not continue the line. Why go to the extremes of using hound blood and risk losing everything else?

Bull blood. Again, there were Russell types that were not lacking. Why continue a terrier line that was lacking in such a fundamental? So I have answered my own questions. But not really.

I have not caught rats in large numbers. To me double figures is a good day. And that was the reason these Plummer terriers were developed for? Catching and killing hundreds, that some people do.

Has anyone used conventional working terriers AND Plummer terriers for this work and found the former lacking and the latter superior due to the outcross blood? 

 

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18 minutes ago, eastcoast said:

Has the type that existed before been improved? A genuine question.

I did not know D B Plummer and have no axe to grind. Some say he developed this type on an ego trip wanting fame and a sort of immortality. But some of it makes sense.

As much as I know is that the type originated from existing working Russell types that were found lacking in nose and courage. Beagle was introduced to improve nose and fighting dog for courage.  Some Russells can hunt like Beagles. If a certain line was lacking in that department outcross to a terrier line that has nose or do not continue the line. Why go to the extremes of using hound blood and risk losing everything else?

Bull blood. Again, there were Russell types that were not lacking. Why continue a terrier line that was lacking in such a fundamental? So I have answered my own questions. But not really.

I have not caught rats in large numbers. To me double figures is a good day. And that was the reason these Plummer terriers were developed for? Catching and killing hundreds, that some people do.

Has anyone used conventional working terriers AND Plummer terriers for this work and found the former lacking and the latter superior due to the outcross blood? 

 

He had russell's already and used a beagle that was ment to have done some work,the bull (what the feck is a fighting dog ffs?) was added for jaw strength and bone,further russell and Nuttal's blood was added to sort of even out the size issues.Comparing them against other types is a bit suss but iv'e not seen any other type come close to them working in a pack or at the ratting game.My old bitch is the best ratting dog i have ver seen although she's past it now but she just had a nack of finding them when other types didn't and the way she'd mark them and catch them she was always ahead of others...I have russell's i work these days and don't do anything as much ratting as i used to but i do have a young russell here who i recon would make a half decent ratter,but she's a first season of digging to do first before i get to ratting the covers again.

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I think ratting is abit like ferreting most types will pick it up to a standard if used enough. Another thing about these ive found is money and names on paper are top priority with most not trying to produce little allround workers.

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10 minutes ago, C.green said:

I think ratting is abit like ferreting most types will pick it up to a standard if used enough. Another thing about these ive found is money and names on paper are top priority with most not trying to produce little allround workers.

Any plummer pup sells and it don't matter what name is on the ped for them to get top money,names on paper to a punter don't mean feck all imo mate.They got a puppy and plummers ain't thick on the ground so when a litter comes up they soon go,but if i were looking at a pup myself then yeah names on the ped do mean a whole lot as i'd want a pup from a line of known hard working terriers and not some bigged up non worked shite that some punt out and the folk i'd get a pup from do graft them or else i wouldn't be at their door..

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15 minutes ago, fireman said:

He had russell's already and used a beagle that was ment to have done some work,the bull (what the feck is a fighting dog ffs?) was added for jaw strength and bone,further russell and Nuttal's blood was added to sort of even out the size issues.Comparing them against other types is a bit suss but iv'e not seen any other type come close to them working in a pack or at the ratting game.My old bitch is the best ratting dog i have ver seen although she's past it now but she just had a nack of finding them when other types didn't and the way she'd mark them and catch them she was always ahead of others...I have russell's i work these days and don't do anything as much ratting as i used to but i do have a young russell here who i recon would make a half decent ratter,but she's a first season of digging to do first before i get to ratting the covers again.

Thank you for answering fireman. My question was to people who regularity hunt and catch hundreds of rats. Something that I have not done. The Russells that I have hunted with have never been found lacking in scenting ability or courage, but, I have not done that kind of rat catching. So do not know if the Plummer is better or not at that job than a "unimproved" terrier. 

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Plummer wrote about killing tons of rats.....but you never saw no end of day picsūü§Ē

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27 minutes ago, fireman said:

Any plummer pup sells and it don't matter what name is on the ped for them to get top money,names on paper to a punter don't mean feck all imo mate.They got a puppy and plummers ain't thick on the ground so when a litter comes up they soon go,but if i were looking at a pup myself then yeah names on the ped do mean a whole lot as i'd want a pup from a line of known hard working terriers and not some bigged up non worked shite that some punt out and the folk i'd get a pup from do graft them or else i wouldn't be at their door..

Will you have more plummers to work alongside the russel ?

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On 24/08/2019 at 18:00, Phil Lloyd said:

He said a lot of things...ūüėĀ

And most of it bollocks....ūüėČ

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1 hour ago, C.green said:

Will you have more plummers to work alongside the russel ?

I've enough terriers for the now but like i said they ain't thick on the ground so i won't say no as if the right bred one came along then yes i'd have another plummer no problem.Unlike the man himself good terriers don't tell lies and my old bitch has never lied to me ever and i've never had to lie about her either...:victory:

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I can see why he added beagle,to make the Russells more pack orientated,the ones I've worked rats to are jealous and end up fighting.I can't see why the bull blood was added if rats were the game,but each to their own.

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Fireman is there certain lines more favourable to drop in than others, heard rymid ? Or something more throw earth dogs & size wise some throw 11-13 rather than 15- 16 atb Flacko 

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Fireman is there certain lines more favourable to drop in than others, heard rymid ? Or something more throw earth dogs & size wise some throw 11-13 rather than 15- 16 atb Flacko 

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17 minutes ago, Flacko said:

Fireman is there certain lines more favourable to drop in than others, heard rymid ? Or something more throw earth dogs & size wise some throw 11-13 rather than 15- 16 atb Flacko 

Remlap are/were a line of earth workers and that's the line i'd/iv'e gone for myself,lost one just before last xmas that was ticking every box i put in front of her..

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Fireman what about size wise mate are commented before I seen a lot of these plumbers like whippet height I like the smaller compact sort ? any stuff like that about atb Flacko 

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