bird 9,587 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Aj should win by KO round 7 -8 , if it goes well, should fight Wilder Xmas or early next year i think , if not both should retire , and make way for other good hungry young heavyweights coming through , Aj not fought for 9 months it a feckin farse , he deff should fight wilder next, get the 4 belts up for grabs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Ray Joshua said recently that he wants to fight wilder in two years preferably. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,587 Posted June 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Francie said: Ray Joshua said recently that he wants to fight wilder in two years preferably. ok , but this time next year , both will be fresh fit and ready to go , cant see the point of dragging it out , both want the 4 belts, so do it . Fury prob wants get in on it, but he have to wait , unless he gets the rematch with wilder, but looking doubtful from what i was reading today.wilder looking more to the winner of the fight Saturday . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Wilder and Fury just signed up today to fight the rematch early 2020 . Rumours are saying it's a co promotion between PBC and Top Rank, the first co promotion since 2015 (Pacman v Mayweather).With Wilder fighting Ortiz in September it looks like we will all be waiting a bit longer to see the fight for the first ever five belt holder and the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion . Edited June 1, 2019 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheShootingTog 2,184 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 I used to think AJ was a good fighter, now the way he is only fighting once a year & ducking & diving his opponents, I rate him as a heavyweight version of Khan, = not world class. Dubois, Gorman & Joyce coming through will (hopefully) bring the glory & excitement back to the heavyweight division. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 4,926 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 Tyson Fury just posted this on Instagram: TYSON FURY RUNNING THE GAME SINCE 2015. “The lineal champ fights who the lineal champ wants” It’s now June 2019 and Fury has fought two bums and Wilder since 2015. He’s a fcukin fraud. Right now AJ is the man with the belts and THE man you have to beat to claim you’re the best. Both Fury and Wilder are avoiding him. A blind man can see that. It’s fcukin pathetic. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,172 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, pesky1972 said: Tyson Fury just posted this on Instagram: TYSON FURY RUNNING THE GAME SINCE 2015. “The lineal champ fights who the lineal champ wants” It’s now June 2019 and Fury has fought two bums and Wilder since 2015. He’s a fcukin fraud. Right now AJ is the man with the belts and THE man you have to beat to claim you’re the best. Both Fury and Wilder are avoiding him. A blind man can see that. It’s fcukin pathetic. If aj is the man to beat, then how can ya beat him if he won’t fight anybody? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 4,926 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said: If aj is the man to beat, then how can ya beat him if he won’t fight anybody? Who won’t he fight? Wembley was booked in April for Wilder and the undisputed fight. Wilder didn’t want it. Fury was offered it but didn’t want it. All the pish about % splits etc. are all just excuses not to fight him. Both Wilder and Fury could have had their hands on those belts by now if they really wanted it. They don’t, for now at least. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fred90 3,090 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 lineal champion is a mythical title. fury holds no meaningful title. wilder talks of 1 face 1 champion blah blah. wilder wants nothing to do with Joshua that's painfully obvious. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 25,165 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 When cash corruption in boxing got harder, multiple belt corruption took its place, multiple belt world champion fighting once in 9 months is a disgrace, this one night would take aj about 3-4 years to get through Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 4,926 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Greyman said: When cash corruption in boxing got harder, multiple belt corruption took its place, multiple belt world champion fighting once in 9 months is a disgrace, this one night would take aj about 3-4 years to get through How often should he fight? Fought twice in ‘18. A unification and mandatory. Would have fought in April this year if a genuine contender had stepped up, but none did. He’s been as busy as Wilder in the last few years but fought better opposition. And as for Fury, he beat Klitschko in a poor fight four years ago and dined out on it ever since. Edited June 1, 2019 by pesky1972 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Hearn has been made to look a fool again and is under pressure from Dazn for not delivering the big Heavyweight fights he promised them. He started by making demands not deals and ignored the fact that Wilder is advised by Al Haymon the most powerful man in Boxing ! Wilder and his team where invited to meet with Dazn directly and Hearn was not even invited with Dazn trying to get Wilder to sign to a 100 million 3 fight contract. The deal was for Wilder to fight two Matchroom fighters then fight Joshua under there terms and conditions however the deal fell apart when Wilders advisers said the first fight with Joshua would alone generate more than 100 million and Dazn also refused to say what Joshua would be making. The rematch for the fight would also have still been a % deal in Joshua's favour so Wilder and his team walked away. Joshua is a four belt holder and was selling out U.K. Stadiums but he only fights a couple of times a year to keep his ppv figures high,however Joshua is not a big draw in America. Joshua's last fight (Povetkin) shown free in America only had 70,000 viewers and add to the fact that this fight did not sell out in the U.K. either . Hearn again stated this week that Fury/Wilder would only ever be a 60/40 split in Joshua's favour despite him earlier in the year offering them both 50/50 deals to step in at short notice to fill the vacant April slot at Wembley. Hearn in his desperation this week announced that Fury would be fighting Whyte for the WBC Diamond belt a fact which the WBC never even announced or had agree'd to. The WBC ordered Fury v Whyte with Fury saying he'd only fight Whyte if the fight was for the Diamond belt with the winner being the mandatory to fight Wilder. This was strange as Fury already had the rematch clause to fight Wilder so while Hearn goes running to the WBC begging for the fight to be for the Diamond belt, Fury goes and signs to fight Wilder lol . The hold up for Wilder v Joshua has always been the % split which as Joshua is the four belt holder Hearn wanted originally an 85/15 split in Joshua's favour but now has increased the offer to a 60/40 split still in his fighters favour as well as Joshua's trainer (Mcracken) also stating that a Wilder fight is too early for Joshua at this time. Wilder and Fury have both stated that to fight Joshua they want a 50/50 deal no less,they might not deserve it but that is the numbers from Haymon and Arum if the fights with Joshua are to be made. Wilder Fury Joshua can not sell out an American stadium on there own and all there respective teams know this as well as the fact the biggest money is also in America,however should they fight each other then this will not be the case and fans would struggle to get tickets so the three fighters do all need each other hence why they want 50/50 deals.Joshua fights tonight in his first contest in America so the actual ticket sales and ppv figures will be interesting but both Hearn and Joshua know if they truly want to fight Wilder or Fury then it only happens with a 50/50 deal . As for the fans it's still the same thing,just a waiting game . Edited June 1, 2019 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,114 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, MickC said: Hearn has been made to look a fool again and is under pressure from Dazn for not delivering the big Heavyweight fights he promised them. He started by making demands not deals and ignored the fact that Wilder is advised by Al Haymon the most powerful man in Boxing ! Wilder and his team where invited to meet with Dazn directly and Hearn was not invited with Dazn trying to get Wilder to sign to a 100 million 3 fight contract. The deal was for Wilder to fight two Matchroom fighters then fight Joshua under there terms and conditions however the deal fell apart when Wilders advisers said the first fight with Joshua would alone generate more than 100 million and Dazn also refused to say what Joshua would be making. The rematch for the fight would also have still been a % deal in Joshua's favour so Wilder and his team walked away. Joshua is a four belt holder and was selling out U.K. Stadiums but he only fights a couple of times a year to keep his ppv figures high,however Joshua is not a big draw in America. Joshua's last fight (Povetkin) shown free in America only had 70,000 viewers and add to the fact that this fight did not sell out in the U.K. either . Hearn again stated this week that Fury/Wilder would only ever be a 60/40 split in Joshua's favour despite him earlier in the year offering them both 50/50 deals to step in at short notice to fill the vacant April slot at Wembley. Hearn in his desperation this week announced that Fury would be fighting Whyte for the WBC Diamond belt a fact which the WBC never even announced or agree'd to. The WBC ordered Fury v Whyte with Fury saying he'd only fight Whyte if the fight was for the Diamond belt with the winner being the mandatory to fight Wilder. This was strange as Fury already had the rematch clause to fight Wilder so while Hearn goes running to the WBC begging for the fight to be for the Diamond belt, Fury goes and signs to fight Wilder lol . The hold up for Wilder v Joshua has always been the % split which as Joshua is the four belt holder Hearn wanted originally an 85/15 split in Joshua's favour but now has increased the offer to a 60/40 split in his fighters favour as well as Joshua's trainer (Mcracken) also stating that a Wilder fight is too early for Joshua at this time. Wilder and Fury have both stated that to fight Joshua they want a 50/50 deal no less,they might not deserve it but that is the numbers from Haymon and Arum if the fights with Joshua are to be made. Wilder Fury Joshua can not sell out an American stadium on there own however should they fight each other then this will not be the case and fans would struggle to get tickets so they do all need each other.Joshua fights tonight in his first contest in America so the actual ticket sales and ppv figures will be interesting but both Hearn and Joshua know if they truly want to fight Wilder or Fury then it only happens with a 50/50 deal . kin el mick, you just gave me a headache! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,114 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Anyway, I'm still saying wilder will retire before he fights joshua. Or do what riddick bowe did instead of fighting lewis Edited June 1, 2019 by shaaark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, shaaark said: kin el mick, you just gave me a headache! Lol I've gave myself one tbh mate,but that is basically it in a nutshell,the fans are still kept waiting unfortunately! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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