Labs

[billhardy 2,341]

12 hours ago, moonlighter said:

My mate had a lab which was the best hunting dog I’ve ever seen. It was relentless in persuit of game. I think to get the best out of them in a lurcher thought they would need many generations of breeding the best to the best. Just like we’ve done with coursing dogs. All the best coursing dogs I’ve seen, and I’ve seen a few living on the the fens, have all been bred coursing dog to coursing dog, not F1 first crosses. I think if this approach was applied to lab crosses in 15/20 years time, there could be some really good dogs about. 

Very true but I believe this applies ta all  types  collie types alsation beddies bull types coursing dogs. The selection his has much ta do with the finished article has the xs it's self. Atb bill

[forest of dean redneck 11,183]

1 hour ago, two crows said:

probably both, but you bet your boots if there is trouble with dogs on a shoot it will be a black lab, I know there will be more black labs than anything else, but they cant even get on with each other lol.

Is that both sexes ?  

[Dan Newcombe 58]

To be fair it is right that a lot of issues on shoots are caused by labs kicking off but as a percentage it’s still pretty low. 

Out of interest. The picture on the forestry track is the Bitch I have in mind and one on the concrete is her full brother.

they are both absolute machines out working.  

Entirely accept that they are unlikely to be a flat out coursing dog, it’s more a mooching, ferreting, bit of lamping and ideally a bit of picking up if possible - proper all rounder and train ability is important. Hadn’t thought of trying to keep them lighter with some saluki, was thinking grey/whip cross because I want to keep the size down a bit. 

[two crows 3,342]

1 hour ago, Dan Newcombe said:

To be fair it is right that a lot of issues on shoots are caused by labs kicking off but as a percentage it’s still pretty low. 

Out of interest. The picture on the forestry track is the Bitch I have in mind and one on the concrete is her full brother.

they are both absolute machines out working.  

Entirely accept that they are unlikely to be a flat out coursing dog, it’s more a mooching, ferreting, bit of lamping and ideally a bit of picking up if possible - proper all rounder and train ability is important. Hadn’t thought of trying to keep them lighter with some saluki, was thinking grey/whip cross because I want to keep the size down a bit. 

nice dogs mate, I think if I wanted a mouching dog in your shoes, I would use one of them spaniels, but then I am a spaniel man lol.

[two crows 3,342]

14 hours ago, moonlighter said:

My mate had a lab which was the best hunting dog I’ve ever seen. It was relentless in persuit of game. I think to get the best out of them in a lurcher thought they would need many generations of breeding the best to the best. Just like we’ve done with coursing dogs. All the best coursing dogs I’ve seen, and I’ve seen a few living on the the fens, have all been bred coursing dog to coursing dog, not F1 first crosses. I think if this approach was applied to lab crosses in 15/20 years time, there could be some really good dogs about. 

I think that is spot on, and as bill said true of all lurchers, the best are always line bred what ever the cross, I have had some great f1 sal greys, but the line bred ones have a bit more about them for me generaly, what do you run mate, and which bit the fens you in roughly.

Edited June 2, 2019 by two crows

[forest of dean redneck 11,183]

1 hour ago, two crows said:

nice dogs mate, I think if I wanted a mouching dog in your shoes, I would use one of them spaniels, but then I am a spaniel man lol.

Both nice looking labs .

[two crows 3,342]

1 hour ago, forest of dean redneck said:

Both nice looking labs .

tell you what redneck I have seen racier ones but to me they are nice looking, my mate has a nice looking black lab but he is only about 8 and has had a dodgy back end since about five, tell you what there is more talk of gundogs in this section than the gundog one, they dont post much at all .

[two crows 3,342]

2 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

The few labs Iv saw an been around were as varied in temperament as they were in shape, that’s why it’s the temperament that would dictate wether I’d have one or not, sayin that tho I know for a half lab half pointer, An id love to let a real tightly bred up an at em coursing dog to her, but ya never gonna happen

some of the lads on the grouse moors run them crosses, a sign of practical dog men producing something to do a job better than the pures.

[Dan Newcombe 58]

I’ve seen a few racier but IMO (obviously because we breed the line) they are a solid, agile and good to work with temperament. Good mix and she chucks that dog (her brother) around like a rag dog rubbing flat out, really co-ordinated somehow, has a knack.  

There are a lot of the wire/lab crosses up this way but to be honest I’ve seen very few I would kennel, they would maybe lend a bit of something extra to a running dog though. 

Never really thought about a Spaniel cross, wouldn’t have thought that they would bring much to the party running wise, they are quick but no top end really - just see them on a running cock bird compared to a lab etc.  

[bird 9,587]

17 hours ago, two crows said:

seen plenty of cuntish labs only dog that ever bit me was a lab the black basttard.

yup, i go along with that,  had 3 male black labs , kick off with my big dog,  and fookin  2 collies   . i will say though that when i was beating and went round shoot to shoot, i a landy  6-8 type dogs in the back  labs, spaniels , couple jacks no trouble. its either  show type labs, and poor training , that maybe attacked my dog , as the lads with working labs would come down very heavy if there dogs played up. but they deff as breed can be vicious twats , this is only males , the bitches to be honest have been ok, no probs   it just males .!!

[two crows 3,342]

12 minutes ago, Dan Newcombe said:

I’ve seen a few racier but IMO (obviously because we breed the line) they are a solid, agile and good to work with temperament. Good mix and she chucks that dog (her brother) around like a rag dog rubbing flat out, really co-ordinated somehow, has a knack.  

There are a lot of the wire/lab crosses up this way but to be honest I’ve seen very few I would kennel, they would maybe lend a bit of something extra to a running dog though. 

Never really thought about a Spaniel cross, wouldn’t have thought that they would bring much to the party running wise, they are quick but no top end really - just see them on a running cock bird compared to a lab etc.  

the speed of a lab will add nothing to a lurcher, they are slow, just like collies, Alsatians etc, they only look quick compared to another slow thing or a wounded cock bird that is running cos he is injured. its other things the base breed brings to the table.

[moonlighter 1,160]

4 hours ago, two crows said:

I think that is spot on, and as bill said true of all lurchers, the best are always line bred what ever the cross, I have had some great f1 sal greys, but the line bred ones have a bit more about them for me generaly, what do you run mate, and which bit the fens you in roughly.

I live near Skegness so I hunt around Boston and Louth. 

[two crows 3,342]

14 minutes ago, moonlighter said:

I live near Skegness so I hunt around Boston and Louth. 

used to get out round Louth my self still can but ground was stony as hell I am south linc's

[billhardy 2,341]

12 hours ago, two crows said:

probably both, but you bet your boots if there is trouble with dogs on a shoot it will be a black lab, I know there will be more black labs than anything else, but they cant even get on with each other lol.

Think a mentioned this before we had a greyhound kill a labradour inta fields the greyhound was sound with all our others jukels tykes ,just a b*****d a of a lab paid the price left them to it result dead lab .atb bill

[eastcoast 3,727]

I haven't read all this thread but have seen a few references to dog aggressive Labs. I have found this to be an increasing problem over the last 10 year or so. Not gundogs, but situations where people decide to walk the family pet. I try to avoid places where family pets are being walked but every year it becomes increasingly more difficult as they become ever more adventurous in the places that they go. I put it down to successful show dogs that have been offered to public stud that carry this fault but don't know for sure. Interesting to hear that people on the other side of the world have noticed this problem in Labs though.

Labs seem to be the breed of choice at the moment as family pets, but I don't think that is just a case of bad socialisation. Staffords and Boxers also seem to be very popular at the moment but I have not found dog aggression to be a problem in these breeds, even though it would be more to be expected. Westies and Miniature Schnauzers being the other problem breeds but given their size it not such a concern.

 

Edited June 2, 2019 by eastcoast
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