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I think it depends on what you want from a lurcher, they are different things to different people. I want a mooching dog that can work with bushers and ferrets, have a few runs on the lamp and help me

To be fair it is right that a lot of issues on shoots are caused by labs kicking off but as a percentage it’s still pretty low.  Out of interest. The picture on the forestry track is the Bitch I

For me in the right hands should make ideal mooching/marking/ferreting dogs. Ideal for fur and feather i could never understand why they were not more popular compared to first cross collie/greys and

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7 minutes ago, Black neck said:

Quick get the beans for its 2 late

I think I'm pretty safe blacky. I think the carrot and wheatgerm has done for him. As long as he's on that, I think we're all pretty safe from a damned good clemming! ? ?

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48 minutes ago, billhardy said:

And that's fine that's what  jukel ta me his about in your post but the majority of modern day keepers want at least fifty runs fr a Jul el a night some double that twice a week plus explosive take off da a free bolting ferritin cur. The jukel of old hos fa me for the old and those that bee.n and gone f I ll circle  myself I cluded atb bill

Bill if I have read that right the majority might want  fifty runs a night but I I bet most don't get that and  would be suited with that in a few outing of course there's a good few who do get more but I would say they aren't in majority 

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41 minutes ago, shaaark said:

I think I'm pretty safe blacky. I think the carrot and wheatgerm has done for him. As long as he's on that, I think we're all pretty safe from a damned good clemming! ? ?

It's a fine line furg a perceived insult is all it teks for the arse kicking boots to go on 

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3 hours ago, forest of dean redneck said:

Don’t know about in oz but lot of decent labs an crosses in NZ , lot of old time pigdogs were lab crosses.

Maybe it's the dog aggression that makes them like that, the point I was making was our labs in general are bred to be placid sociable obedient dogs. Dog aggressive labs wouldn't be popular on a shoot day in a trailer with a dozen others or sat round a flight pond in the dark  would they.

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1 minute ago, gnipper said:

Maybe it's the dog aggression that makes them like that, the point I was making was our labs in general are bred to be placid sociable obedient dogs. Dog aggressive labs wouldn't be popular on a shoot day in a trailer with a dozen others or sat round a flight pond in the dark  would they.

Makes them like what ? I’m confused 

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My mate had a lab which was the best hunting dog I’ve ever seen. It was relentless in persuit of game. I think to get the best out of them in a lurcher thought they would need many generations of breeding the best to the best. Just like we’ve done with coursing dogs. All the best coursing dogs I’ve seen, and I’ve seen a few living on the the fens, have all been bred coursing dog to coursing dog, not F1 first crosses. I think if this approach was applied to lab crosses in 15/20 years time, there could be some really good dogs about. 

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1 hour ago, two crows said:

seen plenty of cuntish labs only dog that ever bit me was a lab the black basttard.

Racist ? lol, got to say mind, I've seen a few very aggressive labs. But was that down to poor breeding and socialisation? ?‍♂️

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9 hours ago, gnipper said:

Maybe it's the dog aggression that makes them like that, the point I was making was our labs in general are bred to be placid sociable obedient dogs. Dog aggressive labs wouldn't be popular on a shoot day in a trailer with a dozen others or sat round a flight pond in the dark  would they.

 

9 hours ago, gnipper said:

Pig dogs.

Mate,dog aggression is the last thing you want in a pigdog that usually hunts in packs.You will never find a dog aggressive pig dog here.They have to be sociable.I just don't like labs as a breed,whether they are good examples or not and def not bred intro running dogs for me.

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9 hours ago, shaaark said:

Racist ? lol, got to say mind, I've seen a few very aggressive labs. But was that down to poor breeding and socialisation? ?‍♂️

probably both, but you bet your boots if there is trouble with dogs on a shoot it will be a black lab, I know there will be more black labs than anything else, but they cant even get on with each other lol.

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