joey barton assaults barnsley manager

[WILF 44,186]

Here’s a thought, imagine how good Lionel Messi would be if he had had to play in England between 98-04 ?.......the modern rules allow players who would have absolutely got planted in row Z back then to perform in relative safety, imagine someone with that ability having to sharpen his game up to cope with that.

Just another of my mad ramblings ! Lol 

[Stoney100 1,179]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

It kills me when commentators say:.."he's worked his socks off" or "he's earned his corn today". Running around until you drop should be normal. Any player at whatever level should give 100% . Right to the final whistle.

True but not all players do, hence the commentators commentating on that fact that some have

[Stoney100 1,179]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Here’s a thought, imagine how good Lionel Messi would be if he had had to play in England between 98-04 ?.......the modern rules allow players who would have absolutely got planted in row Z back then to perform in relative safety, imagine someone with that ability having to sharpen his game up to cope with that.

Just another of my mad ramblings ! Lol 

It wouldn’t just be messi that would be different though, Barca would have players that could give it back and messi is a tough little c**t tbf to him! 

[gnasher16 29,612]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Couldn't agree more. Barton is a fairy compared to the players you quoted and the likes of Tommy Smith  Nobby Stiles and  Norman Hunter. I have mixed feelings about Barton. He does tell it how it is and he is prepared to live with the consequences of his opinions and actions. But he is bad news. He could cause a row in an empty house. I remember when I was a teenager there was a lad that knocked about with us who was forever getting aggressively pissed and landing the rest of us  'situations'. We protected him loyally for years but one night we gave him a hiding and threw him in a canal we were that sick of the c**t. He never knocked about with us after that.

Wilf you have no soul. Di Canio was transcending sport or money. He acted decently. End of. I remember Fowler did some something similar when playing for Liverpool. An old fella like me remembers this moment too:

I always think one of the greatest examples of sportsmanship were the 3 fights Ali and Frasier had. Never a low blow, a punch after the bell, a head butt or f**k all. Just sheer, raw, honest competition. Money meant f**k all to them when they were in the ring, it was all about who was the better man on the night. I take my hat off to them every time I re-watch those fights. Two honest sporting warriors.

Victory means nothing if you've cheated to get the result. Modern football has lost its integrity. Players routinely feign injuries, try to get each other booked or sent off and dive in the penalty box.

As Alf Garnett would have said: "it's not facking cricket me old china! Poofs and lady boys the lot of em."

Thats a really good post squire i dont quite remember watching the names you mention i vaguely remember Norman Hunter playing for Bristol City but one of the first ever displays of a real hardman nature i remember watching was in the 82 World Cup do you remember Gentile for Italy ?.....he literally followed Maradona around the pitch against the Argies and had Zico scared out of his wits against Brazil without really chopping them down he just physically and mentally intimidated possibly the 2 best players in the world out of the games and for me was a big factor in Italy winning the tournament it was a great side with Tardelli,Rossi etc but Gentile's performance stuck in my mind for years after.

I agree theres a big difference between genuine sportsmanship like Dicanio/Fowler showed.....and outright cheating.....those instances were players not wanting to exploit a situation your right it would be like Ali continually hitting Frazier low or dare i say it Tyson taking a chunk out of Holyfield you have to draw the line somewhere or you have a lawless sport.

[pesky1972 4,926]

26 minutes ago, WILF said:

No soul ! Lol......I have to admit Jukel I genuinely laughed at that one mate, fair play.

Maybe soul is the wrong word but it’s lost something.., maybe passion? When players like Hazard, Pogba etc. down tools until the manager that critiscised them is sacked.., then openly court moves to other clubs whilst the ‘supporters’ sit silent in the stands, that doesn’t sit right with me.

When the best team in the country has a stadium full of apparently mute ‘fans’ that you couldn’t have given free tickets to the year before an arab sheik decided he wanted a new play thing, that doesn’t say ‘passion’ to me. 

When the league has been so commercialised that we talk about quality of the ‘product’ instead of the game.., and TV effectively owns every team in the league, then even the passion of real supporters counts for nothing. Illustrated by this;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44850888

Don’t get wrong, there’s a lot to like about the EPL, jmho but it doesn’t feel like it has the same English identity it did before and maybe a few years after the advent of subscription TV. Maybe I just miss the old days of Jimmy Hill on MOTD, crunching tackles, muddy pitches and the camerman nearly missing the goal of the season.

[gnasher16 29,612]

8 minutes ago, WILF said:

Here’s a thought, imagine how good Lionel Messi would be if he had had to play in England between 98-04 ?.......the modern rules allow players who would have absolutely got planted in row Z back then to perform in relative safety, imagine someone with that ability having to sharpen his game up to cope with that.

Just another of my mad ramblings ! Lol 

Ive said the same to old timers their usual response is " well Georgie Best didnt do too bad " .....and as for muddy pitches,hard leather boots and playing while he was pissed 

[jukel123 6,570]

12 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Ive said the same to old timers their usual response is " well Georgie Best didnt do too bad " .....and as for muddy pitches,hard leather boots and playing while he was pissed 

Literally stole my post. Bestie was as good as he was because his temperament enabled   him to laugh off the crunching tackles and let his skill do the talking.

Here's Norman (bite your legs) Hunter coming off second best.

 

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He was a hard fe cker hunter

[Astanley 11,465]

23 minutes ago, j j m said:

He was a hard fe cker hunter

So were Bremmner ,Madely ,Charlton ,Reaney ,Jones ,Clarke ,Giles ,Story ,,etc etc  the whole club was permeated by a joyless win at all costs mentality from Revie down ,( even the ball boys disappeared when Leeds went one up ,)no dirty trick or tactic was considered off limits ,they deliberately went out to injure opponents , .

On paper it looks like a glorious chapter in that clubs history ,those of us who remember it will always consider it a black shameful era .

 

[jukel123 6,570]

54 minutes ago, Astanley said:

So were Bremmner ,Madely ,Charlton ,Reaney ,Jones ,Clarke ,Giles ,Story ,,etc etc  the whole club was permeated by a joyless win at all costs mentality from Revie down ,( even the ball boys disappeared when Leeds went one up ,)no dirty trick or tactic was considered off limits ,they deliberately went out to injure opponents , .

On paper it looks like a glorious chapter in that clubs history ,those of us who remember it will always consider it a black shameful era .

 

That's spot on. Yorath was a dirty b*****d too. When Clough went there he told them they could throw away all their medals and trophies because they'd cheated their way to winning them. He was right.

Edited April 19, 2019 by jukel123

[WILF 44,186]

I think there is a massive difference between players they go out to deliberately hurt another player and players that play with intensity, passion and genuine bottle.

As I said, sometimes that boils over.

The latter will be as hungry for a 15th goal as they were for the 1st.......the former are nobodies.

[Nicepix 5,650]

10 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Literally stole my post. Bestie was as good as he was because his temperament enabled   him to laugh off the crunching tackles and let his skill do the talking.

Here's Norman (bite your legs) Hunter coming off second best.

 

Bremner was regarded as a hard man. Until he met a real hard man..............

 

 

An old work mate of mine used to play as a full back for Sunderland (don't tell Max), the Blades and Spireites. He played right back against the Fulham side who had Best & Marsh in it. He said that the one player who defenders never wound up was Best as he would make a total monkey out of you. Even in his Fulham days when he was half-cock and half-pissed he was still capable of turning defenders inside out.

[Welsh_red 4,303]

Just been to watch local teams last game of the season . Lost 3-1 . But as embrassing as the top players are , in the depths of the local leagues theres still steel and grit . Tackles flying in everywhere , some late , some perfect . Last year i watched a opposition player take a dive and his own player grabbed him up off the floor and shouted at him "your f***ing embrassing". Theirs gritty football if u look for it 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

I’ve always admired the mental toughness of  truly great players. 

True world class players shine when under duress or in massive games. Things why often very good , great players even like pirlo cannot possibly be considered as all time greats. 

Look at the stress Gerrard , ( a personal favourite , however I would argue he cannot be considered world class) will have been under throughout the later stages of his career , litterally carrying a club almost singlehanded on his shoulders with the expectation the fans to win the league with Father Time racking his body. 

A massive burden to carry . 

Similarly , look at the way xavi and iniesta react. Barca were often harried and hurried by more physically equipped and imposing players , yet they believed enough to still give receive , give receive, moving the ball around with composure despite being pressured. 

Regardless of tough sorts I’d probably be inclined to agree that skillful players should be protected from over zealous opponents by refs. 

There should be no place for malicious injury at any level of the game imho 

[WILF 44,186]

Hahaha, I played in a semi final of the Essex Junior Cup once.

We were winning 3-1 with about 20 minutes to go and for some reason our LMF threw a massive tantrum, the other team scored 2 and we lost on penalties.......I was truly broken after that game, my feet were bleeding the lot !

All the other lads were the same, royally pissed off, the holding midfielder was a big unit of a lad who was an anti terrorist squad officer.......he took up the drain cover in the shower and had a shit down their drain and closed it back up again !!

Brutal !