Minshaw dogs

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

1 hour ago, bird said:

no doubt about it, they were some good dogs bred from them, and they filled the freezer no prob , and fair play to to lads that put game in front of them  but lets be honest here  regards lamping quarry, and more so if  where some places hold lot of quarry. you go to some places , like where i used to live , your dog do well getting dozen rabbits in the lamp, thee were like rockets up there arse , same with the hares , which there  weren't many  but to get one you did well, it was more like running in the day on them. then go to other places , and you could mop up 7 or 8 hares  easy, and knock over a roe or fallow in a night . and suppose if the dog not over taxed  in a night , ok had few good runs , but not fooked , well you could do it  maybe 3 times a week , but me self i be happy just couple nights a week , feck me how big your freezer  lol, my big dog when he was bit younger  put good long night in , feel me freezer , rest him 3 days then go again , he still quite fit , but 8 this august think there at there best about 5, top of there game then  as lamping dog

I’ve seen a minshaw dog who’s name has never been mentioned one night do the full spectrum of lamped uk quarry as easily as shelling peas. At ten years old . 

Then produce pups as honest and as good as himself to an unrelated collie grey. 

If that was coursing stuff people would be bumming the dog up in here without seeing him. That’s a fact 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

1 hour ago, shaaark said:

22 sentences defending minshaw dogs is a definite BITE

22 sentences is scant proof of the dogs I’ve actually seen . 

Or shall I write a bit about the fact all the big 80s lampers were very quiet to the challenges for charity that were raised ......

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

1 hour ago, poxon said:

Here we are in 2020 scratching our heads thinking that minshaw bred dogs were owned by real dog men that kept an bred there own dogs because they know a good hunting dog everyone had a good dog in the 80s/90 due to the amount of gear about so the question is if they were that good owned by that good of a dog man were are they now surly there still be about not all this people chucking the minshaw name about like it’s a Standardised breed to sell there scatter breds In my eyes they were the same as anyone else’s mongrely cur breds of the time it’s just that minshaw had his little band of followers to bum stuff up because it helped with sales and in 2020 people are still bumming the name up as a sales pitch 

 

 

 

The breeds dead as the type of hunting it excelled at isn't really the done thing anymore . 

You don’t get lads driving around the lanes stood on the back of a escort or maestro with a beam in the field . 

[shaaark 10,112]

11 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

22 sentences is scant proof of the dogs I’ve actually seen . 

Or shall I write a bit about the fact all the big 80s lampers were very quiet to the challenges for charity that were raised ......

Wrte as much as you want mate. Was merely pointing out that you BIT by writing 22 sentences on minshaw dogs, after you'd written that you weren't going to bite

 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

41 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

I honestly think Vic Minshaw is the best salesman the lurcher world has ever known.

He's far surpassed David Hancock, Len French, Jeff Burrell and even Brian Plummer. Hancock needed Plummer and a few books, Len French toured every show in summer for years to peddle his wares. Poor old Jeff has to talk peoples ears off to sell pups and even then we don't know what the feck a Tumbler really is! DBP had to first sell books to sell lurchers and then ran off to Scotland, handing the programme to his mate Dave.

Now crafty Vic has us still talking, questioning and wanting his dogs long after they ceased to exist and with his name all over them..! This bloke should of had a better vocation, he'd of been a millionare!!

No matter how they may have been bred, those early dogs had very much a stamp and an ability. An ability enough to get Minshaw placing ads and the challengers in early lurcher publications. And wether he was beat once is really irrelevent. It was boomtime then for profit hunters and they say he had most carrying their dogs back to their motors. But never forget, it was a different world back then....

I remember seeing those 'first wave' dogs in the field, direct from Vic and the offspring from them and all i'll say is that they have kept my interest ever since.

I also seen the next wave of dogs direct from Vic and they neither looked nor performed anywhere like the first lot, they were peddled to those who were late to the party and there were many. They made me realise to lift my head and sniff for whats not real in the lurcher world... And i still smell it now!

Thankfully, a few hung on to that old blood, used it as a base, along with the ideal of solid graft and improved breeding. Then are these still really Minshaws, as they are a long long way from Vic's dogs?

But we all love a bit of nostalgia, mystery and Romance...

Totally agree bosun lad about the waves ....

the lamping type had a look all of it’s own ....I believe that the newer stuff from about 96 onwards was more day based , I may have had a couple myself ! 

The only connection really was the man that bred them and by the millennium he didn’t even have anything to do with it ...he’d moved onto coursing stuff. 

But there was no doubt dogs like blue , Rambo , nigger , oboe , tartan , Andys stuff , red, Chester , sorrell we’re tested hard in that game and we’re seldom found wanting. 

To think people worry about what line from thirty years ago their coursing dog is and are quick to brush over what those lads had as “their was more game then “ is quite a statement in my eyes.   

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

2 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Wrte as much as you want mate. Was merely pointing out that you BIT by writing 22 sentences on minshaw dogs, after you'd written that you weren't going to bite

 

No bites mate but bear in mind I can spot a minshaw from 600 yds

[poxon 5,555]

13 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

The breeds dead as the type of hunting it excelled at isn't really the done thing anymore . 

You don’t get lads driving around the lanes stood on the back of a escort or maestro with a beam in the field . 

It was never a breed it was always type I can’t see that as a reason that Being the reason that made them good tbh mate Lads lamping of the back of escorts or periodic cars At the time the games not changed it’s still the same in essence a case of find quarry slip dog be it on foot or motor the only thing changed is number of quarry about  an people An that talked to much As a sales pitch In turn bumming numbers Declined So did the sales pitch as everyone wants that dog bred from dogs that will catch any thing that moves tbh I don’t think they were nothing special no different from the next dedicated man that got out with a Heinz 57 an done a bit but I guess it’s we’re your motives lay back then if it was chasing the coin or just quarry 

[D Lloyd 2,790]

I'll Say one thing you say minshaw and it gets lads on reading

[SheepChaser 8,082]

Large hare population in fenced and walled fields, on the lamp?

Would those dogs have killed Double figure hares a week on decent sized arable land, no fences etc, on the lamp?

Genuine question. I’ve noticed (and it’s taken a while ) that there are some people who do a hell of a lot of travelling, and often have amazing dogs, some are amazing coz of the graft they see, others look amazing as they are taken to the right ground ........

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

6 minutes ago, poxon said:

It was never a breed it was always type I can’t see that as a reason that Being the reason that made them good tbh mate Lads lamping of the back of escorts or periodic cars At the time the games not changed it’s still the same in essence a case of find quarry slip dog be it on foot or motor the only thing changed is number of quarry about  an people An that talked to much As a sales pitch In turn bumming numbers Declined So did the sales pitch as everyone wants that dog bred from dogs that will catch any thing that moves tbh I don’t think they were nothing special no different from the next dedicated man that got out with a Heinz 57 an done a bit but I guess it’s we’re your motives lay back then if it was chasing the coin or just quarry 

The lads involved weren’t like that at all ... 

the idea of some of those people being in it to make money from pups has actually made me laugh out loud ...

I think “nothing special” is a bit rich as some of the lads were hard at it and had the pics to prove it . 

[shaaark 10,112]

11 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

No bites mate but bear in mind I can spot a minshaw from 600 yds

To be honest, I'm not really interested in minshaw lurchers at all, but I'll read practically anything to do with running dogs. 

Don't really get how anyone can say that the sort of dog they breed is 'their own' type of lurcher. If you ask me, there's no such thing as a 'minshaw' lurcher. They were, as far as I've read, a mix of all sorts of crosses, in effect just mongrel lurchers. Same as these coursing bred types. Useful dog bred to useful dog. Trying to read some of those wrongly written, question marks in place of a name etc, pedigrees is laughable

[Greb147 6,808]

If they are not around today then why are they brought up so often, no good chasing dead dogs. 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

6 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Large hare population in fenced and walled fields, on the lamp?

Would those dogs have killed Double figure hares a week on decent sized arable land, no fences etc, on the lamp?

Genuine question. I’ve noticed (and it’s taken a while ) that there are some people who do a hell of a lot of travelling, and often have amazing dogs, some are amazing coz of the graft they see, others look amazing as they are taken to the right ground ........

I wouldn’t know mate , I know some did some decent things in the day at bigger sized fields in the north. 

They were no slouch and I’ve always thought that one of the true minshaw traits are that they we’re quite easily trained . 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553]

2 minutes ago, shaaark said:

To be honest, I'm not really interested in minshaw lurchers at all, but I'll read practically anything to do with running dogs. 

Don't really get how anyone can say that the sort of dog they breed is 'their own' type of lurcher. If you ask me, there's no such thing as a 'minshaw' lurcher. They were, as far as I've read, a mix of all sorts of crosses, in effect just mongrel lurchers. Same as these coursing bred types. Useful dog bred to useful dog. Trying to read some of those wrongly written, question marks in place of a name etc, pedigrees is laughable

Your gonna need a bigger boat I’m afraid mate 

[shaaark 10,112]

1 minute ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

I wouldn’t know mate , I know some did some decent things in the day at bigger sized fields in the north. 

They were no slouch and I’ve always thought that one of the true minshaw traits are that they we’re quite easily trained . 

Not having a dig at you mate,  but have you, or anyone you know, got a written pedigree of a minshaw lurcher you/they could put up on here? 

Someone put one up a couple of years ago