Lenmcharristar 9,172 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, pesky1972 said: Seen a few videos this week from Hearn on AJ’s next fight.., which needs signed soon. Open offers to both Fury and Wilder. Their silence would suggest the rematch is most likely. AJ has the belts so is the boss. Beat him and you’re the boss. It’s not rocket science. I think 60/40 from AJ would be fair and both should be biting the hand off Hearn. Anything else means they’re ducking AJ.., no ifs, buts or maybes. Or maybe they’ve taken the rematch and told aj to go feck the dodging ba$tard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,114 Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said: Or maybe they’ve taken the rematch and told aj to go feck the dodging ba$tard Why do you think joshua's ducking anyone? He's got 4 of the 5 belts. Wilder's got the other. Fury has f**k all. Why should they get a bigger amount than what's been offered? If they were 'really' serious about their 'legacy' or 'I'm not in it for the money' bollocks, or whatever they keep repeating, they'd take what they've been offered. Joshua holds more value than fury and wilder put together. I think a 60/40 split is more than satisfactory 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,172 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, shaaark said: Why do you think joshua's ducking anyone? He's got 4 of the 5 belts. Wilder's got the other. Fury has f**k all. Why should they get a bigger amount than what's been offered? If they were 'really' serious about their 'legacy' or 'I'm not in it for the money' bollocks, or whatever they keep repeating, they'd take what they've been offered. Joshua holds more value than fury and wilder put together. I think a 60/40 split is more than satisfactory I think fury wilder are serious but aj himed and haad then they fought one another and drew so they go at it again to see who the better man will be, aj missed the bus with them and to be honest it looks desperate on aj and eddies behalf now to try and get a fight. So he needs to stop arseing about after the fury wilder 2 is finished Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robertb123 372 Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said: I think fury wilder are serious but aj himed and haad then they fought one another and drew so they go at it again to see who the better man will be, aj missed the bus with them and to be honest it looks desperate on aj and eddies behalf now to try and get a fight. So he needs to stop arseing about after the fury wilder 2 is finished Bob Arum has been saying Hearn should get AJ over to the states or he will be "unappreciated", he said Fury is better known in the US. Can't see Hearn going with arums suggestion AJ should be prepared to take a pay cut to get better known! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,114 Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Lenmcharristar said: I think fury wilder are serious but aj himed and haad then they fought one another and drew so they go at it again to see who the better man will be, aj missed the bus with them and to be honest it looks desperate on aj and eddies behalf now to try and get a fight. So he needs to stop arseing about after the fury wilder 2 is finished Let's get this right. Wilder only fought fury cos he thought fury had f**k all left and was washed up. Fury was obviously more than happy for a big payday against someone he knew he could beat, and did so, even whilst still being under par. That should tell you more about how ordinary wilder is, than fury being 'top class'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 4,926 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 hours ago, maxhardcore said: Maybe they saying to Hearn fook you Till you put reasonable sensible offers on the table . I think Wilder and Fury know their stock has risen dramatically and they don't have to be told anything from Hearn re purse or cut ect at this moment in time. Maybe Hearn is even panicking a little lol re Wembley being already booked for April the 13th when Wimbledon would do with the opponents mentioned for AJ Utter pish as usual Max. AJ has 3 of the 4 belts (+IBO) so if the others want to be the genuine world champ they NEED to fight him. AJ would only have to fight either if they became mandatory. Are you stupid enough to think that if the positions were reversed that Warren or Wilder’s promotion would hand out 50/50 splits? And if Hearn is ‘panicking’ it’s because AJ has stated he wants Wilder to become undsputed first.., then Fury, then Whyte and whoever. Hearn sounds desperate to deliver whilst the google eyed crook whines about ‘derisory’ offers made to Fury that he only heard about on the internet because he’s sh!t scared to lift the phone to Hearn, so Fury’s gone off and done it himself. Wilder doesn’t want to fight Joshua to hold all the belts, simple. Fury I can understand wants to take the easier route to a belt, no other explanation for why he isn’t biting Hearn’s hand off now. For the last 4 years he’s constantly called out the ‘weightlifting dosser’.., well now Hearn has offered him the same deal as Wilder/WBC has offered and not a peep. It’s crunch time now and there only appears to be one guy trying to make the fights we all want to see. And in a weeks time when AJ commits to fighting Whyte or Miller or someone who actually wants it, Wilder, Fury and all the usual fcukin mongs will crawl out the woodwork and still call him a ducker. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Hearn is not stupid and he wont be out done,he knows that the Wilder v Fury fight has gained them more US exposure so are probably now after there recent fight over there in America better known than what AJ is. AJ has marginalised himself some what as he has only fought in Britain however he's the multi belt holder and calls the shots but he's not stupid either so he knows as well as Hearn does that he needs to increase his profile and that is why the Miller fight for AJ at MSG would tick all the boxes for Hearn/AJ at this point now in AJs career. At the end of the day its only a voluntary fight in April so anything can happen,after April AJ has mandatorys to deal with and with AJ being a modern day ppv fighter he will probs only be fighting twice maybe three times max a year now to protect his market value and not over commercialise himself (ppv figures,endorsements etc) it could be a while before AJ is in a position to fight Wilder or Fury. Fury and Wilder are probably both thinking that who ever wins there fight will be in a better place for negotiations when it does come round to fighting AJ. Things might have been different if Hearn had offered them 40% before the rematch was made official but Im starting to think myself that wilder is stalling on the AJ fight . Edited January 23, 2019 by MickC Sp 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,114 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 That makes sense. Similar sort of thing with calzaghe. And regarding wilder fighting joshua, I don't think that'll ever happen. He's fought no-one apart from an ancient ortiz, who was winning until the ref and the ringside doctor 'helped' him! Still don't believe he'll fight fury again, until I actually see it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 4,926 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, maxhardcore said: Hearn and AJ have realised Fury and Wilder's stock have risen and maybe Aj's has fallen. If it's utter pish why they struggling to sell out Wembley in April that they have had booked for a while ???? I think general public is cottoning on to the mis matches Hearn has been serving up for a couple of years More pish.., stocks rising and falling AJ has the belts ffs,..., and is the man who actually beat the man, that’s his stock. And more contradiction.., you said a few pages back Fury would fight for the titles for nowt..., that being the champ was all that mattered. AJ is the big fish, the man to beat to say you’re the best. Wilder is rated as a fighter who’s fought nobodies. Hearn had made a good offer to Fury and he’s disappeared. From a business perspective maybe AJ fighting in the US makes sense. But suggesting he needs to raise his profile to fight Fury or Wilder is laughable. Remember AJ has what they (should) want..., and it’s them (deliberately) pricing themselves out of the biggest fight of their careers. As long as AJ can meet his mandatory obligations he stays champ. He holds 3 aces and has time on his side. Edited January 23, 2019 by pesky1972 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, pesky1972 said: More pish.., stocks rising and falling AJ has the belts ffs,..., and is the man who actually beat the man, that’s his stock. And more contradiction.., you said a few pages back Fury would fight for the titles for nowt..., that being the champ was all that mattered. AJ is the big fish, the man to beat to say you’re the best. Wilder is rated as a fighter who’s fought nobodies. Hearn had made a good offer to Fury and he’s disappeared. From a business perspective maybe AJ fighting in the US makes sense. But suggesting he needs to raise his profile to fight Fury or Wilder is laughable. Remember AJ has what they (should) want..., and it’s them (deliberately) pricing themselves out of the biggest fight of their careers. As long as AJ can meet his mandatory obligations he stays champ. He holds 3 aces and has time on his side. Who said he needs to raise his profile to fight Fury or Wilder ? I didn't say he needs to increase his profile to fight Wilder or Fury ! AJ needs to raise his profile for the benefit of tapping Into the lucrative American ppv market.AJs last fight shown for free in America was only viewed by 16k as well as his ppv figures for the same fight (Povetkin) being down over 300k and only viewed by 20k on DAZN . Edited January 23, 2019 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,820 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Mick he was talking to max Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, South hams hunter said: Mick he was talking to max I know Pesky was repying to Max but it was me who mentioned that AJ needed to raise his profile, unless Max mentioned it also and ive missed it . Its only each others opinions on the subject anyway at the end of the day in what is a good thread . Edited January 23, 2019 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, maxhardcore said: Mick them figures seem really poor. You seem to know your stuff' what figures did the Wilder v Fury fight generate . PPV figures and money generated ' in America and the world as a whole ' ringside figures ect ????? Richard Shaeffer former ceo of Golden Boy said the Fury v Wilder fight did well and certainly better than expected and grossed more than any of AJs fight inc the Wlad fight. I cant find the thread now with exact numbers ( rig wifi playing up) but heres an older link with some info .I think the American ppv is around $75-80. hth https://www.ringtv.com/549226-deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-tracking-at-over-30000-pay-per-view-buys/ Edited January 23, 2019 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 4,926 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, MickC said: I know he was repying to Max but it was me who mentioned that AJ needed to raise his profile, unless Max mentioned it also and ive missed it . Its only each others opinions on the subject anyway at the end of the day in what is a good thread . The profile comments weren’t a dig, in essence I agreed with your point regarding it making good business sense. More about Max’ claims about ‘stock’, and maybe stuff coming from the likes of Arum and Warren. End of the day I think AJ and Fury both want it and will fight, just hope we don’t have to wait too much longer to see it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,114 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Kin el len, you stalking me?! It was only my opinion on religion ........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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