WILF 44,285 Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Well, I’d never thought I would say it but the French are showing us how it’s done. 18 weeks the yellow vests have been going at it and they don’t look like they have any intention of stopping. 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 18,579 Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Sandy I would like seriously to ask you do you believe in democracy? I'm not trying to offend in any way. Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,049 Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, sandymere said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/march-to-leave-sorm-hit-minion-nigel-farage-brexit-protest?CMP=fb_gu When it mattered the leave voters turned out (and won). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caravan Monster 323 Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, DIDO.1 said: I don't think anyone was stupid enough to believe 'leave' arguments, I think most leavers were intelligent enough to know that all leave arguments were just gut feelings and beliefs. Nobody knew what would happen, most knew that the traitors, the establishment, the media would all try to destroy brexit and some would love brexit to be a disaster rather than see Britain do well. Many remainers are the same type of people that want north Korea to launch a nuke just to make trump look bad. The central leave arguments about sovereignty are solid. I wasted several years of my life studying law at university and although the very left wing lecturers probably didn't intend to for the students to realise it, the way the eu was forced into the British system of government makes no sense at all. It's one of the few things I learned as a daft kid that I still believe now, I was even one of the 7 people to vote for the Referendum Party in '97 Most remain supporters are either following the herd or have a personal interest in continued eu membership, but at the same time don't be fooled that the political leaders for leave are doing it for the future of the country and we will see their motives become clear in time. Also be wary of the establishment setting up a leave agreement designed to make it easy for the UK to be reabsorbed back into the eu in a political or economic crisis, which is what I believe the prime ministers withdrawal agreement is all about. If they really meant to leave, it would have happened soon after the referendum. Removing the option of leaving completely on world trade organisation terms is like going into a car dealers and saying 'I promise I will not leave without buying a car, now give me a good deal', not going to happen. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hambone 948 Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Caravan Monster said: The central leave arguments about sovereignty are solid. I wasted several years of my life studying law at university and although the very left wing lecturers probably didn't intend to for the students to realise it, the way the eu was forced into the British system of government makes no sense at all. It's one of the few things I learned as a daft kid that I still believe now, I was even one of the 7 people to vote for the Referendum Party in '97 Most remain supporters are either following the herd or have a personal interest in continued eu membership, but at the same time don't be fooled that the political leaders for leave are doing it for the future of the country and we will see their motives become clear in time. Also be wary of the establishment setting up a leave agreement designed to make it easy for the UK to be reabsorbed back into the eu in a political or economic crisis, which is what I believe the prime ministers withdrawal agreement is all about. If they really meant to leave, it would have happened soon after the referendum. Removing the option of leaving completely on world trade organisation terms is like going into a car dealers and saying 'I promise I will not leave without buying a car, now give me a good deal', not going to happen. Nail hit firmly on head Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nicepix 5,650 Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 End of the day the EU is the latest means of Germany taking control of Europe. The Euro is the key weapon and is why the Greeks call it The German Cage. It does not allow for the exchange rate mechanism to assist poor countries and put a brake on rich countries. It is quite the reverse so that Germany races along getting benefits from a strong currency whilst the weaker economies are locked in debt and high rates of interest on bonds and loans. Taking into account the UK's annual subscription plus the 0.3% VAT and 80% of any import duties on goods imported from outside the EU which is paid to Brussels the UK pays the EU €40 billion per year after rebates. Those import duties create higher prices in UK shops as they are designed to protect EU industries from imports. The UK does not produce anywhere near as much as France, Holland, Italy, Spain ad Germany so the UK consumers are paying more for their goods to keep other EU workers in jobs. It also allows EU manufacturers to charge more fro their goods as the non-EU competition is priced out of the market. Then there are things like fishing. Spain has the largest EU fleet and one of the smallest viable fishing areas. Where do they fish? Off the UK. Every day thousands of HGVs loaded with Spanish fruit and veg crosses into the UK to sell to their market. Those HGVs return full of sea food from Ireland, Scotland, and England. Those lorries aren't going to be held up for four or five days on the docks waiting for clearance. The EU cannot function without the UK markets. They sell twice as much to the UK as goes the other way. If only the spineless MPs would pull together and force a No Deal, the EU would schite itself and European businesses would kick their arrises to get a good deal for the UK. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liP 699 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 18:16, VOON said: It will be repaid in full by 2021....it can be repaid now if ye wish...... Ireland has the 25th highest level of debt of any country in the world, according to figures compiled by Bloomberg, with total outstanding sovereign debt of $223.9 billion. That a fair wack to pull out your arse pocket Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,285 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 No one anywhere I have read in any article has explained how the government will be able to break its own law? The 29th is law.......how do they bypass that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,637 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, WILF said: No one anywhere I have read in any article has explained how the government will be able to break its own law? The 29th is law.......how do they bypass that? Surely they can just pass another law that overturns it? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,621 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Surely they can just pass another law that overturns it? they can and do what ever they want, .the house of commons is the centre of the universe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,453 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 ..............….and it seems even the Speaker is a Remainer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,285 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Surely they can just pass another law that overturns it? Legislation takes time and they only have 10 days, I don’t think that is enough time for new legislation ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,453 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, WILF said: Legislation takes time and they only have 10 days, I don’t think that is enough time for new legislation ? It could be made to happen! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,637 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, WILF said: Legislation takes time and they only have 10 days, I don’t think that is enough time for new legislation ? No idea mate. Bet they have a final draft ready to put through though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,621 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, WILF said: Legislation takes time and they only have 10 days, I don’t think that is enough time for new legislation ? dont hold your breath wilf .these fkn clowns ,can perform magic , 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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