Arry 18,570 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, sandymere said: Thats why I suggest a two stage vote, your personal insults just highlight your inability to formulate a meaningful, adult reply. Trouble is one of the options is REMAIN. The referendum result was LEAVE. So you ignore DEMOCRACY. Cheers Arry 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, W. Katchum said: Even tho you didn’t agree with the options? but you voted anyways An only Cos it’s not went your way, you now think the options should be diff? Sounds like summat one my kids would do when not getting there own way on family days I did agree with staying in the EU and voted as such but I have voted to the best of two evils in the past that a reality of life. If the final two options from the double vote was to leave with or without a deal I would vote for the deal rather than not vote because I would have preferred a third alternative. If in time the country wished to re visit the outcome of the current shambles I would be in support of it, democracy is about the will of the people in the present not the past or we'd still be in the dark ages. At the end of the day it has become a shambles and only by letting the people decide can we bring some kind of order that is valid. Personally I would like an in or out vote, plain and simple, by an informed public. But I see that that could leave those wishing to exit with or without a deal disenfranchised which is why I feel giving the leavers an initial choice on their preferred method, before a final vote, would help to give a voice to more peoples preferred exit strategy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, Arry said: Trouble is one of the options is REMAIN. The referendum result was LEAVE. So you ignore DEMOCRACY. Cheers Arry Democracy isn't static if it was it would cease to be a democracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
si brown 8,486 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, sandymere said: Democracy isn't static if it was it would cease to be a democracy. It’s that static it’s gone stagnant... do you work for the bbc or something?! Have you even tried to look for a positive side to brexit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 25,220 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, sandymere said: Thats why I suggest a two stage vote, your personal insults just highlight your inability to formulate a meaningful, adult reply. Your two stage option offers 2 in favour of what you want and one in favour of what you don’t want, so when one of your options gets rejected in round one the two thirds will side together to defeated democracy, you clearly can’t see that as it’s just what your told, if you and yours want to stay in the eu either move or deliver brexit as you have been instructed to and when you are in power table a motion to take us back in, that is the only democratic option, and with regard to my personal insults if I was stood in front of you I would say them to your face as it’s how I feel about anyone who is willing to forget what generations of men have given there lives for and hand over our sovereign rights to a foreign invading power, you are an insult to every life given to keep this country as it is so f**k right off 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 18,570 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, sandymere said: Would another vote be undemocratic if undertaken with all the current choices, i would say the opposite. Of course it would be undemocratic because you haven't upheld the first one. Why should anybody vote in a second vote if you don't uphold a vote ? Why would the second vote be valid and the first vote ? You're still like all the other remoaners that can not except the result and carry on campaigning to stay in the EU. If you really believe in Democracy the the day the result is given then everybody should except it and move on. Once you start ignoring the result of a democratic vote were does it lead. The END of DEMOCRACY itself. Cheers Arry 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 25,220 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, sandymere said: Democracy isn't static if it was it would cease to be a democracy. Looney Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 18,570 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, sandymere said: Democracy isn't static if it was it would cease to be a democracy. By ignoring a Democratic vote it makes it Democratic. Don't get that one mate. Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jobi 387 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 I agree democracy isn't static, a vote isn't final for eternity but you have to at least uphold the referendum. I would rather stay as we are then leave with a poor deal, leave to me means get out with no deal. If it turns out to be a big mistake then it's us that will suffer the consequences and we will have to take it on the chin. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 19,382 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Trade with the EU Is only 13% of our total economy, to put it in perspective we traded around £274bn with the EU last year and this amount has been dropping year on year by a total of 10% since 2006 ...now let's look at our small medium business of which 90% have no direct dealings with the EU ,they had s turnover of £1.9 trillion last year! So the question has to be why are people like sandymere putting the minority 13% over the far superior 87% ? Also when we DO Leave that 13% wont just be wiped off will it? ...give your head a shake sandy and back UK SME's instead of trying to line the pockets of overseas corporations! 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jobi 387 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 My job will be safe so I don't give a fcuk...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: Sandy the vote went to the people 3 years ago The result was leave lets just get out and get on with it the sooner the better and the country can move forward after getting dragged into the Gutter for 3 years by people who supposed to implement democracy. 16 minutes ago, Arry said: By ignoring a Democratic vote it makes it Democratic. Don't get that one mate. Cheers Arry Tony Blair was voted in by a majority, should we still have tony Blair as PM? After all it was a democratic vote, I for one wouldn’t be happy about that. Peoples opinions change and our actions need to accept that. If the remain had won does anyone thing the brexiteers would have just stopped??? Whatever the outcome of the current shambles this will without doubt be an on-going discussion for years to come and may well be re visited again down the line, but that is democracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, W. Katchum said: I may even get a pay rise Dairy prices may well go up with some scenarios, bad for the general public but good for dairy farmers..........possibly. https://www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-news/new-report-models-possible-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-farmings-bottom-line/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Will of the people? https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 25,220 Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, sandymere said: Tony Blair was voted in by a majority, should we still have tony Blair as PM? After all it was a democratic vote, I for one wouldn’t be happy about that. Peoples opinions change and our actions need to accept that. If the remain had won does anyone thing the brexiteers would have just stopped??? Whatever the outcome of the current shambles this will without doubt be an on-going discussion for years to come and may well be re visited again down the line, but that is democracy. Tony Blair was voted in for a fixed term not life, how can you be so confused you have no argument and no grasp on democracy you are a typical Libratard just go away 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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