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You simply couldn't make up the mess the Government and Parliament have made of this, so what does anyone expect is going to happen by 31 October?

No doubt TM's deal will be watered down even more to the extend we are still in, pay them a fortune but have no voting rights or any control/veto!

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Correct. Of those nine countries some receive more back in trade within the EU than they  put in.  When they hand the dosh over to Brussels and Brussels then divvies it out to the poorer EU count

If you want to see hatred look at the political left. From antifa to momentum to unite against hate.  We arnt full of hate we are just pissed off.  Being against giving power to the eu isn't

What the latest news has demonstrated is that May's policy of appeasement to the EU was similar to Chamberlain's appeasement towards Hitler in the 1930's. By standing up to the EU and removing any hop

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6 minutes ago, Deker said:

You simply couldn't make up the mess the Government and Parliament have made of this, so what does anyone expect is going to happen by 31 October?

No doubt TM's deal will be watered down even more to the extend we are still in, pay them a fortune but have no voting rights or any control/veto!

yep ,its a comedy of errors  .and yes its allresdy being watered down , more to come for sure  ...totall  piss take 

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15 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

Fair one, Gnash, but as above. While the majority voted to leave not all of them voted to leave based on immigration. Nationalism is a hard sell in any demographic.

I think more did than you/we probably realise mate truth be told ?

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16 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

Fair one, Gnash, but as above. While the majority voted to leave not all of them voted to leave based on immigration. Nationalism is a hard sell in any demographic.

Not all of them, but more than care to admit it. 

 

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1 hour ago, Pirate 9000 said:

We should have another referendum leave with her deal or leave with no deal let  them try and squirm out of that one regards paying them they aren't worth the dole money self serving paracite s

If we had another referendum, those wouldn't be the options. It would be remain or leave. If leave won again, this bollocks would continue. If remain won, it would be sorted immediately.

I would imagine May is trying her best to get it sorted before the EU elections. If she refuses to take part in them, we leave on June 1st, If we do take part, she's going to get savaged by the Brexit Party and UKIP. 

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19 minutes ago, WILF said:

f**k me mate, all due respect and everything, but wake up and have a look !

 

A look at what? Do you think she wants to crash out for refusing to take part in the EU elections? Or do you think she would prefer to have most of the MEPs from pro- Brexit parties? I don't think she wants either.

It almost sounds like you're cheering on the EU bully-boys from your EU-funded country.

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47 minutes ago, walshie said:

A look at what? Do you think she wants to crash out for refusing to take part in the EU elections? Or do you think she would prefer to have most of the MEPs from pro- Brexit parties? I don't think she wants either.

It almost sounds like you're cheering on the EU bully-boys from your EU-funded country.

What part of “you ain’t getting out” have you not sussed out yet pal ?

The options being worked are stay in or stay in.

I’ll swerve the attempted dig ;) 

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18 hours ago, foxdropper said:

Probably  more than any poll would indicate though

 

4 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

I think more did than you/we probably realise mate truth be told ?

 

3 hours ago, walshie said:

Not all of them, but more than care to admit it.

 

Gentlemen, I don't doubt that immigration was a primary factor in the decision of some. I don't doubt that immigration was a secondary or even tertiary factor in the decision of some. Wherever that issue lies on the sliding scale of Most Concern to Lease Concern outside of THL I've rarely heard it mentioned and even then it wasn't a primary concern.

2016 I watched a president elected running on a large nationalist ticket. While many have attempted to move the goalposts on what that actually entails the fact is in the first referendum on his presidency was a huge counterswing at the ballot. Kinda like what you're all seeing here with regard to the way they are absolutely not going to let you leave the EU. You won the vote fair and square and they're doing everything in their power to obsfuscate that. You asked for Enoch Powell and you got Tommy Robinson. Nationalism is a hard sell in any demographic.

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7 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

Stuff like this is fundamentally why I am attracted to libertarianism, other than a strong belief in personal responsibility.

The more shit you accept and ask for from government, the more they have you by the balls. It's so hard to argue against small encroachments on a case by case bases but they all add up over the years to one giant castration of the People's courage to oppose..... well frankly, totalitarianism.

A couple hundred years ago stunts like this might have resulted in violent rebellion. These days we're too tied into the system to dare lash out.

Testify,  brother! :laugh:

I'm a huge believer in individual liberty and responsibility and any large governing body runs counter to that.

Do you trust your government?

No?

Then why on earth would you want to make it bigger?

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There were blokes who genuinely thought that all the immigrants would start going home the morning after the result !.....that’s true by the way!!

Personally, and as a bloke who genuinely does not beleive that Asia and Africa belong in the west, I can hand on heart say immigration never crossed my mind once in relation to that vote.......it was always about democracy and removing the protection of “blame the EU” from in front of British politicians.

They have wired everything so tight that it has to be baby steps, and the most important is the first......re-establishing control of your political outcomes.

Once you do that then over time sanity and a natural order will reappear and I beleive part of that natural order is that indigenous people want their country populated with mostly their own......that’s just nature.

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6 minutes ago, WILF said:

it was always about democracy and removing the protection of “blame the EU” from in front of British politicians.

Absolutely! That and it's a step in the right direction for making government and bureacracy smaller.

Brexit or no Brexit the immigration issue has always been able to be fixed by Westminster but it will never happen while there is either a socialist or a conservative in the top job. Sure a nationalist can do it with a massive crackdown but a libertarian can do it without firing a shot. No one has to get all Powelly either...

 

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2 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

 

Again the Carribean immigrants post World War 2 were deserving of Status here and for the best part 

Integrated very well and embraced for the best part what GB was all about.

Jesus Christ !! 

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38 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

 

Wherever that issue lies on the sliding scale of Most Concern to Lease Concern outside of THL I've rarely heard it mentioned and even then it wasn't a primary concern.

 

Wherebouts are you from Chris ?....if its not rude to ask.

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