Two pups?

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On 17/12/2018 at 16:27, Who let the dogs out! said:

Was a good little read that and made loads of sense. Fair play

It’s more than likely , the large man in the speedos bit,  that did it for ya

the more you confront , the more interested the pup is in bullshit stuff, 

pup spends  months tuning into preyfull aspects of its environment , trouser legs , woolly jumpers , other dogs , cushions, any ripable, 

its only a phase if your still the good guy and can manage and distract , if you keep disciplining / confronting,  the dog will be drawn to that behavior as a resolution to its preyfull energy 

pup is programmed to tune in, you become too confrontational and your going to get a half assed response as a young dog because he will have tuned in to everything else, he must feel whole in your space not submissive 

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3 hours ago, Casso said:

It’s more than likely , the large man in the speedos bit,  that did it for ya

the more you confront , the more interested the pup is in bullshit stuff, 

pup spends  months tuning into preyfull aspects of its environment , trouser legs , woolly jumpers , other dogs , cushions, any ripable, 

its only a phase if your still the good guy and can manage and distract , if you keep disciplining / confronting,  the dog will be drawn to that behavior as a resolution to its preyfull energy 

pup is programmed to tune in, you become too confrontational and your going to get a half assed response as a young dog because he will have tuned in to everything else, he must feel whole in your space not submissive 

Now you mention that you can see this behaviour when they play. They look around at what they can play with as prey. Be it a slipper, pair of socks, a tennis ball. It’s something so obvious that i don’t even notice. It’s juts like the other dogs being out constantly sniffing and scanning. So when we go to cage up the dog and it resists or go to take the ball and it tries To bite your hand is this the dog reacting like your a predator towards it and reaction defensively. Like a scale of attack and defense instincts. 

How do we then use this knowledge to help with our bonding and training. Obviously we don’t want the dog on the defensive so like you say fear isn’t a good option. The dog isn’t going to listen to something that makes it defensive. I think we have the mindset sometimes like we are dealing with our own kids. We use fear with our kids sometimes to steer them from unwanted behaviour I.e the way we look at them, tone of voice. All a play with fear as in conveying there will be a consequence if your proceed with your current action. We then try this with our dogs and the dog just ends up defensive, tail tucked etc.

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At the base root of Dog , is social that’s the very root,

Thats where  I start with the knowledge that if I don’t ever do a god damn  thing with the mutt he going to be social with me 

so I build on that , I don’t snatch anything from him , I don’t confront for preymaking , I just don’t let the little f****r get himself into that sort of bother , I kennel him and I take him out. I get bits of behavior for food , I don’t Socialise (latest bullshit trend)around gobshites and their dogs, busy roads , wankers or three card trick players, we walk in rural quiet areas , where his temperment develops a calm can do attitude with me at the center , basically a state where he can ignore wankers and their dogs because during those early months they never effected him emotionally,

No emotional baggage , how we would all love that , 

i went looking years ago for how to discipline behavior without effecting behavior between dog and owner   I knew that fear caused aggression, so I tried not depending on it to bring a dog on , just manage 

working a dog bonds it , all you have to do is not be a complete c**t to it and mostly it will work itself out , 

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4 minutes ago, Casso said:

At the base root of Dog , is social that’s the very root,

Thats where  I start with the knowledge that if I don’t ever do a god damn  thing with the mutt he going to be social with me 

so I build on that , I don’t snatch anything from him , I don’t confront for preymaking , I just don’t let the little f****r get himself into that sort of bother , I kennel him and I take him out. I get bits of behavior for food , I don’t Socialise (latest bullshit trend)around gobshites and their dogs, busy roads , wankers or three card trick players, we walk in rural quiet areas , where his temperment develops a calm can do attitude with me at the center , basically a state where he can ignore wankers and their dogs because during those early months they never effected him emotionally,

No emotional baggage , how we would all love that , 

i went looking years ago for how to discipline behavior without effecting behavior between dog and owner   I knew that fear caused aggression, so I tried not depending on it to bring a dog on , just manage 

working a dog bonds it , all you have to do is not be a complete c**t to it and mostly it will work itself out , 

What do you think of the so called window on socialisation. With guard/yard dogs they keep them away from people and don’t let them socialise with anyone through it’s early months. When someone hops a fence they end up feeling the sharp side. Would a pup not experiencing other dogs and people early on hinder it in any way. What your thoughts?

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How much socialising does the most social animal on earth need ?

you can raise a f***ing chimp as a infant,  socialised the f**k out of it , feed it , clean  its f***ing nappy , whisper to it , hold its hand,  tell it “I f***ing love you bubbles “ 

but you won’t go into a cage with it as an adult male and kiss it when it matures, it will rip your face off !! because it functions on instincts ,

whereas a dog can discriminate,  and go by how a situation Feels if you let its proper temperament develop without emotional baggage 

look , as long as you don’t let a pup  be on the end off any emotional trauma it will be fine. And I don’t,  I don’t take it into situations I can’t manage until it’s temperament solidifies  

but how a pup interprets trauma and how we see interactions can be very different , he functions as a prey animal until he develops, 

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30, 40 years ago , there was no socialising dogs , they were taken out and worked and back into the run , they were working dogs , they were bomb proof , bang on with kids , taken out into the field with other dogs and worked no problem 

we get these dates and times now because some bollox wrote a book about some scientific evidence he interpreted to flog a story

travellers don’t socialise their horses but they are the most social horses out their , I didn’t socialise the cat but it will lie on any strangers lap that comes into the house , if you understand dogs you don’t need all that bullshit , dogs were born far more social than any example I’ve given , you just need to understand the canine mindset , social first , f**k ups are man made..     .