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13 hours ago, grebb said:

Hi am on a shoot soon and the cartridges need to be steel fibre/felt wads around 36g 3-4-5 ? Not having any luck finding any  

any ideas / thanks grebb 

Why don't you just ask the Shoot what they recommend and where to buy?

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On 18/10/2018 at 09:43, Underdog said:

Is there any fibre wadded steel cartridges??

No. Generally not  Steel is loaded into thick walled plaswads that stop the steel pellets skidding down the bore. If fibre was used the steel pellets would plough trenches down the bore and F the barrel. If you look on the just cartridges site there is only one cartridge using #4. Perhaps the shot is soft steel. 

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Going off on a tangent.

I have wrapped steel in card in a muzzleloader and suffered no I'll effects.

However, I wondered just how bad would it be if a gun did end up with straight lines in the bore. I mean some barrels have straight rifling or straight rifled choke tubes to prevent wad rotation.

Countless guns are shot with pitting of various degrees and no discernable hindrance to performance is detectable!

So, just how bad would be some straight lines?

 

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On 17/10/2018 at 23:07, Meece said:

Is it just that you want 36gm or is it that you cant find any steel or non tox?

https://www.justcartridges.com/price-lists/

Yeah they have a pretty good selection of cartridges. Anything not available on there is often very specialist or doesn't exist.

It looks very much as if the only option for felt is bismuth. Much better than steel but v. expensive. As Deker said above, ask the shoot. I would have concerns about barrel wear though with felt and steel for previously stated reasons.

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11 hours ago, Underdog said:

Going off on a tangent.

I have wrapped steel in card in a muzzleloader and suffered no I'll effects.

However, I wondered just how bad would it be if a gun did end up with straight lines in the bore. I mean some barrels have straight rifling or straight rifled choke tubes to prevent wad rotation.

Countless guns are shot with pitting of various degrees and no discernable hindrance to performance is detectable!

So, just how bad would be some straight lines?

If the steel pellets are as hard or harder than the barrel stèel then every time a shot was fired metal would be removed and  it wouldn't  be very long before the wall thickness was reduced to out of proof dimensions. This would result in a situation where firstly the gun could become dangerous and a barrel could rupture and secondly  the gun would become worthless because of selling weapons out of proof.  This could also lead to a private prosecution for losses to any third party that got injured.

If your wrapping steel shot in cardboard how do you know that the cardboard is staying with the shot and doing the job of  protecting the barrel and  not just being blasted out as confetti. Seeing as you can't look through a muzzle loader barrel how do you know how much wear has happened at various places if you can't see it or get to measure wall thickness or condition at different places? You'll probably get away with doing it for a ĺong time but it can't be a good thing. My Grandfather had an old 16 bore single that the muzzle wall was so thin due tò black powder and use wear that it could have been used as a wad cutter ! He died of a heart attack before the gun bĺew up on him !! Could you load the shot into plaswads designed for steeĺ into a muźlelòader?

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3 hours ago, Meece said:

If the steel pellets are as hard or harder than the barrel stèel then every time a shot was fired metal would be removed and  it wouldn't  be very long before the wall thickness was reduced to out of proof dimensions. This would result in a situation where firstly the gun could become dangerous and a barrel could rupture and secondly  the gun would become worthless because of selling weapons out of proof.  This could also lead to a private prosecution for losses to any third party that got injured.

If your wrapping steel shot in cardboard how do you know that the cardboard is staying with the shot and doing the job of  protecting the barrel and  not just being blasted out as confetti. Seeing as you can't look through a muzzle loader barrel how do you know how much wear has happened at various places if you can't see it or get to measure wall thickness or condition at different places? You'll probably get away with doing it for a ĺong time but it can't be a good thing. My Grandfather had an old 16 bore single that the muzzle wall was so thin due tò black powder and use wear that it could have been used as a wad cutter ! He died of a heart attack before the gun bĺew up on him !! Could you load the shot into plaswads designed for steeĺ into a muźlelòader?

I made the card wrap so it stayed with the shot.

I recocered the card and inspected them.

I drop a bore light down to inspect the bores.

None of my guns have paper thin barrel walls.

I am not advocating no protection.

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There's a long history of paper wrapped cartridges. It was brought up in the film "Shooter" as a way of ensuring the bullet doesn't become grooved when leaving the barrel (thus defeating forensics). Personally, I'm a bit sceptical of that. However, there is a long history of it being used before jacketing was feasible. It was also used in muzzle loaders:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_cartridge

 

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6 hours ago, Alsone said:

There's a long history of paper wrapped cartridges. It was brought up in the film "Shooter" as a way of ensuring the bullet doesn't become grooved when leaving the barrel (thus defeating forensics). Personally, I'm a bit sceptical of that. However, there is a long history of it being used before jacketing was feasible. It was also used in muzzle loaders:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_cartridge

 

Yeah, know.

It's primary inception was to avoid leading the bore and facilitate the use of soft lead.

Hot climates can play havoc with lubricated bullets. The lube melts etc, like some 22's do in summer.

Paper patching gets around that.

 

I was using a card though. Rolled around a dowel, one folded end and a thin card glued on to form a cup.

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