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Vermin. 

Always have been and always will be. 

Both sides. 

A bunch of steroid addicted borderline homos in Union Jack baseball caps on one side , the other a group of jumped up village napoleons who without Noraid money would have had their pants pulled over their heads by any one single decent lad. 

Laughable really that this was allowed to continue in a western superpowers country. 

Only in Ireland 

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Seen a few of those Mac, grim, but i suppose if you know the punishment, your choice to do the crime! Those South American country's are extreme poverty, so guess a bit of thieving to feed your family

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That just shows that neither system works, IMHO. You've got legal justice and vigilante justice and both forms demonstrate that rich people don't get punished.

8 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

So to quickly recap we have paramilitary/vigilante justice system evolving. They take payoffs from richer criminals to avoid reprisals from said vigilantes who themselves are involved in the trafficking of arms and drugs. Those that can't afford to pay them are subsequently punished which can range from a non-fatal shooting to the death penalty based on the severity of the crime they're accused of or their lack of ability to pay them. All of this seems to rest on their reputation for criminal activity or the corroboration of eyewitness statements from the community or the vigilantes themselves.

Just to stress the vigilantes are themselves guilty of the same crimes to which they dish out arbitrary justice.

Can one of the panel explain to me how this system is beneficial to society as a whole compared to the tested, although admittedly lacking, legal system which relies on the examination of evidence and the execution of due process?

with any luck the repeating offender once recieved his obe will no longer be a nusience to society in northern ireland any longer. where as in england the government will have protected him, gave him a new identidy lots of compo money and a new house then release him back into the unsuspecting public again, whilst his victims from the past live in fear of the crimes happening to them again. because the law does not protect the true victims

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10 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Vermin. 

Always have been and always will be. 

Both sides. 

A bunch of steroid addicted borderline homos in Union Jack baseball caps on one side , the other a group of jumped up village napoleons who without Noraid money would have had their pants pulled over their heads by any one single decent lad. 

Laughable really that this was allowed to continue in a western superpowers country. 

Only in Ireland 

and look whom yous mainlanders knighted????? a bunch of sadistic pedos never mind.  its also a shame that you dont have the belief in saving your own nations against the tribal warfare thats happening in the major cities in the uk. where lets face it most think theyre too holier than thou to do anything about it. so when the sh1t hits the fan call in the royal irish and theyll deal with it.

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8 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

So to quickly recap we have paramilitary/vigilante justice system evolving. They take payoffs from richer criminals to avoid reprisals from said vigilantes who themselves are involved in the trafficking of arms and drugs. Those that can't afford to pay them are subsequently punished which can range from a non-fatal shooting to the death penalty based on the severity of the crime they're accused of or their lack of ability to pay them. All of this seems to rest on their reputation for criminal activity or the corroboration of eyewitness statements from the community or the vigilantes themselves.

Just to stress the vigilantes are themselves guilty of the same crimes to which they dish out arbitrary justice.

Can one of the panel explain to me how this system is beneficial to society as a whole compared to the tested, although admittedly lacking, legal system which relies on the examination of evidence and the execution of due process?

Pretty much in an nutshell and get plenty of support by been cloaked by the reason that it's all just a battle for freedom and a united ireland.The British government were helping out the loyalists and the Irish government were helping the provos. All hush hush. The teenage joyriders and small time dealers got kneecapped to show that the IRA were supporting the community but anyone who could afford to pay protection money to the cause were overlooked. When the British army arrived first on the streets they were welcomed by the Irish but things quickly escalated and like all situations some were fighting for their love of their country and others just used it as a way to get rich quick and covered by a flag.It all started over the catholic community couldn't get any work when the best jobs were controlled by the protestants. Both community's have a lot to answer for. A lot of cloak and dagger sh1t went on both sides.

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1 hour ago, Lenmcharristar said:

with any luck the repeating offender once recieved his obe will no longer be a nusience to society in northern ireland any longer. where as in england the government will have protected him, gave him a new identidy lots of compo money and a new house then release him back into the unsuspecting public again, whilst his victims from the past live in fear of the crimes happening to them again. because the law does not protect the true victims

Len most of the shithole areas where nearly all the lowlifes live are drug ravaged and guess who supplies the drugs into them areas? Yip as you well know the paramilitaries. It’s all about money and keeping normal folks in fear so the high profile thugs can go about their business unhindered. And that really is the truth of the matter.

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2 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Vermin. 

Always have been and always will be. 

Both sides. 

A bunch of steroid addicted borderline homos in Union Jack baseball caps on one side , the other a group of jumped up village napoleons who without Noraid money would have had their pants pulled over their heads by any one single decent lad. 

Laughable really that this was allowed to continue in a western superpowers country. 

Only in Ireland 

Mad dog down to a tee.???

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35 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Len most of the shithole areas where nearly all the lowlifes live are drug ravaged and guess who supplies the drugs into them areas? Yip as you well know the paramilitaries. It’s all about money and keeping normal folks in fear so the high profile thugs can go about their business unhindered. And that really is the truth of the matter.

Bang on and most decided to pick a side instead of been intelligent enough to know it was corrupt both sides unless there was money to be made regardless of if it was a Union Jack or a shamrock tatoo on your chest.In a couple of generations the bitterness will be forgotten and then they will move forward. 

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2 hours ago, jiggy said:

Pretty much in an nutshell and get plenty of support by been cloaked by the reason that it's all just a battle for freedom and a united ireland.The British government were helping out the loyalists and the Irish government were helping the provos. All hush hush. The teenage joyriders and small time dealers got kneecapped to show that the IRA were supporting the community but anyone who could afford to pay protection money to the cause were overlooked. When the British army arrived first on the streets they were welcomed by the Irish but things quickly escalated and like all situations some were fighting for their love of their country and others just used it as a way to get rich quick and covered by a flag.It all started over the catholic community couldn't get any work when the best jobs were controlled by the protestants. Both community's have a lot to answer for. A lot of cloak and dagger sh1t went on both sides.

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31 minutes ago, jiggy said:

Bang on and most decided to pick a side instead of been intelligent enough to know it was corrupt both sides unless there was money to be made regardless of if it was a Union Jack or a shamrock tatoo on your chest.In a couple of generations the bitterness will be forgotten and then they will move forward. 

thats the only way its gona happen for the better.

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3 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

You must be a total heed the ba then 

well what does it say for the government when a lot of peoples over here would have more faith in paramilitaries policing their communities than the psni?  who were responsible for a hell of a lot of murders over here too backed by the top brass in government. the drugs ruined a sense of community over here. so its picking the best of a bad lot. 

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3 minutes ago, peterhunter86 said:

Both sides done more damage to their own communities than anything else 

exactly, pete. thats why we need a different government and leader up here working for all the people of northern ireland not the green n orange, but one with right wing values whos not gona ban this ban that. but one whos going to be ruthlessly chasing investment and creating good jobs to get the lazy bastar ds up n working again too.  if they work for their wages they will respect what they have and be less likely to wreck it in protest at stupid stuff fs

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