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1 hour ago, Daniel cain said:

Seen that havoc dog run, well over 10 yrs ago if it is the same dog. Big Reddish brown thing? Terrier lad from aberdare way owned him. 

Wrong dog Dan ,think your on about a dog out of that JPs Arthur 

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Havoc and his Dam

Punch's brother and a 3/4 bred out of Punch 

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17 hours ago, Big Ron said:

Wrong dog Dan ,think your on about a dog out of that JPs Arthur 

My old dog bred down from Arthur  his grandfather was direct out of him... ?? He was put to a full bull to get sire to mine and he was out to greyhound to get mother so the dog direct out of him is grandfather on both sides 

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