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8 hours ago, dogmandont said:

A terrier that can’t work natural earths. 😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂. About as useful as a chocolate fire guard. 

I find it just as hilarious that you think just because it’s a “terrier” it’s meant to work a natural earth 

why would a draw dog work a natural earth? Some glens heads aren’t spanable let alone their bodies 

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11 hours ago, jigsaw said:

so how does this artificial earth work ,ive never came across one ,this i assume is a series of tunnels constructed of timber ? and at the end is a cage ? with what inside it? and the point of this exercise is to see which dog can get to the caged quarry the fastest ,or is it to see which dog will travel it? its a genuine enquiry ,,as ive no experience with an artificial...

Your thinking of the eastern boys and their jagd/teckle setups - couldn’t be further from that. That is not an artificial earth 

artificial earth is actually dug into the earth, approx 1.5/2ft deep, minimum 2 entries/exits and one chamber 

west facing, good drainage, water source nearby, on a slight slope, dog-leg angle on tunnels to minimise draft, chamber doesn’t have to be massive 

tunnels lined with field stone and small slabs over the top (I put plastic feed bags over slabs Before filing in 

chamber lined with breeze blocks and big old style concrete slab as top 

all internal walls lined with stone/blocks  to stop natural digging of stop ends or further tubes 

the guy that showed me how to make em said the idea was to make em like a five star hotel instead of their usual drafty, damp, one bedroom flat 

once they all filled in apart form entires/exit holes they should be no sign of em 

only other thing I do is set bigger stones at entrances to make a narrower  entrance to try and make it fox only if decided by land owner otherwise all are welcome 

Some perms I remove stones and get iron grid (made by blackie) hammered in over off season

somenstay open all year round depending on land owner

takes Half a day to make depending on ground and access for slabs etc. 

  4 sites with 3-4 artificials at each, 2 sites one week, visit other two sites following week 

Some yield better than others which input down to location. I tend to find a double chamber with 3 in/outs works the best 

This works for me and is what I do each to their own. 

bolts can me netted or shot any game contacted will usually be drawn out dispatched or near enough 

remember not to accidentally set a grid on exits before popping in your Glen though, it blocks the escape - if you get my drift 

 

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I take it this is more for pest control than sport,to me thats completely alien,and is a step away from real working conditions,ie the natural home of the animal.As for men working their animals at the end of the dig being classed as twats,its a bit harsh,as those men in the past created and shaped the dogs into the form they are today ....i attended the trials as a very young man,i met some of the creators and owners of the dogs ,and twats isnt the discription id give of them..

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Yeah fair point - year was a bit harsh!

was targeted more at the job-shites posting 

using the Glen for the whole thing is more sporting in my opinion and means I can have more kennel space for glens as I don’t need to dig to terrier 

I’m into glens not digging to a terrier then letting the glens work for 30secs 

each to their own 

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2 hours ago, jigsaw said:

I take it this is more for pest control than sport,to me thats completely alien,and is a step away from real working conditions,ie the natural home of the animal.As for men working their animals at the end of the dig being classed as twats,its a bit harsh,as those men in the past created and shaped the dogs into the form they are today ....i attended the trials as a very young man,i met some of the creators and owners of the dogs ,and twats isnt the discription id give of them..

You have been in my kitchen with my half glen and it was going to lick you to death. Had a good few digs over her but when it came to the crunch then no she wasn't a complete digging dog. I got I attached to her and she sleeps at my feet every night. I've culled far better but for some reason she doesn't leave my side. Sleeps on my feet and waits with her head on her paws until I come home 

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On 21/02/2019 at 21:45, IV Ecosse said:

 

What you “haha” ing at rabbit hunter?

 

Just seen this.

I was ‘ha ha’ ing as I assumed you were being sarcastic, obviously not? What I found funny was because I’ve seen dogs be piss poor in earths and then look like world beaters in an artificial, assuming you were of the same opinion, and that’s why I found it funny.

I’m no keyboard hunter or warrior, I’m out more than most throughout the season, don’t worry about that.

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2 hours ago, Setinstone said:

Yeah fair point - year was a bit harsh!

was targeted more at the job-shites posting 

using the Glen for the whole thing is more sporting in my opinion and means I can have more kennel space for glens as I don’t need to dig to terrier 

I’m into glens not digging to a terrier then letting the glens work for 30secs 

each to their own 

Thats great and good on ye,but your dogs are being used in an artificially created den,and to me thats not a test,the depth is known,before the dog is entered,...the route in and out is known with no surprises along the way...in my opinion you could never be invited out to hunt in a natural way as your dogs may be (and proper glens usually are) a little too large to manouver and FIT  through the tubes to reach the game..this then goes back to the fact they werent bred to be dug to,they were bred as a draw dog,a vermin killer,an "end of dig dog"... by those that knew their dogs...

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1 hour ago, jiggy said:

You have been in my kitchen with my half glen and it was going to lick you to death. Had a good few digs over her but when it came to the crunch then no she wasn't a complete digging dog. I got I attached to her and she sleeps at my feet every night. I've culled far better but for some reason she doesn't leave my side. Sleeps on my feet and waits with her head on her paws until I come home 

And will be again soon enough lol

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3 hours ago, jigsaw said:

Thats great and good on ye,but your dogs are being used in an artificially created den,and to me thats not a test,the depth is known,before the dog is entered,...the route in and out is known with no surprises along the way...in my opinion you could never be invited out to hunt in a natural way as your dogs may be (and proper glens usually are) a little too large to manouver and FIT  through the tubes to reach the game..this then goes back to the fact they werent bred to be dug to,they were bred as a draw dog,a vermin killer,an "end of dig dog"... by those that knew their dogs...

I thought they came about due to the thalidomide drugs the expectant wheaten mother’s were taking 😜

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1 hour ago, Lenmcharristar said:

I thought they came about due to the thalidomide drugs the expectant wheaten mother’s were taking 😜

Thalidomide with a temper lol

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On 21/02/2019 at 21:20, IV Ecosse said:

Does he use them in artificials?

no mate natural earths /set  they anint no fox dog lol

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On 23/02/2019 at 07:47, IV Ecosse said:

I find it just as hilarious that you think just because it’s a “terrier” it’s meant to work a natural earth 

why would a draw dog work a natural earth? Some glens heads aren’t spanable let alone their bodies 

Why would you need a draw dog it’s illegal ?? And why would you want a terrier for digging that can’t fit to ground just to work in artificial sets 

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28 minutes ago, Elchapo said:

Why would you need a draw dog it’s illegal ?? And why would you want a terrier for digging that can’t fit to ground just to work in artificial sets 

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Finally got me a glen after all these years. I’ve had him for a couple months now. He is 5 months old. He comes from a kennel here in the states. He’s a pet first, worker second. So no hardcore expectations on my part. So far couldn’t be happier with this little guy. He has more fire in his belly thus far then pups I’ve had in the past from working kennels. Time will tell. Most important he fits in great with my 6 year old son. Biggest issue is he’s wanting to kill my wife’s cats already.  We going to see how good a trainer I am if I’m able to break him from the family cats but still have him as a game getter. Wish me Luck. :)

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iv only ever seen one glen and that a pet owned by a woman that gets in our local , but along with a border there the most hideous out cross iv ever seen with a Bedlington ? give me a fell anyday ? then again you only gota see the expert on beddy x glens  and every other breed to see what I mean ? maybe its a hippy thing ? lol

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