S Ellis

[Herbert77 49]

Does anyone on here keep this line  

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

I know a couple of local lads that do, what do you want to know?

[Herbert77 49]

Just wondering if there’s much stuff left about that isn’t heavily saturated with billy blood 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

Not sure really mate, I'd imagine since SE used Billy on a lot of bitches that it would be difficult to find? What dog are you wanting to find if not stuff from Billy?

[Herbert77 49]

No I have two of his sons I’m looking for something a bit different as mine are close if you put to much billy blood in they might be shy 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

The two lads up here keep stuff that goes back to Billy's sister.

[Herbert77 49]

I’m after stuff he bred out of the cindy bitch when he had her there 

[downsouth 6,817]

17 hours ago, Herbert77 said:

No I have two of his sons I’m looking for something a bit different as mine are close if you put to much billy blood in they might be shy 

Thats an understatment.Ive seen whole litters of that Billy bred stuff that were nervous wrecks.Did he actually have a line then?From what i saw at his place it was just various crosses of the older Wheeler stuff.

[Herbert77 49]

1 hour ago, downsouth said:

Thats an understatment.Ive seen whole litters of that Billy bred stuff that were nervous wrecks.Did he actually have a line then?From what i saw at his place it was just various crosses of the older Wheeler stuff.

 

[Herbert77 49]

I’ve had some very shy ones myself I don’t want that again I think a little terrier blood goes along way mixed with that billy blood 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

I've never seen a nervous one if I'm honest but obviously haven't seen as many as you boys. Can I ask, what actually qualifies as a Wheeler bred dog? Is it anything that goes back to Charlie or Keith?

[Herbert77 49]

All mine go back to both I have two youngsters that have Keith in there peds 5 times and also Charlie 5 times I’d say they are wheeler types

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

Fair enough, were them two dogs the defining dogs that set off the 'Wheeler' type then? Was there any others from that era that would qualify? 

[downsouth 6,817]

1 hour ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

I've never seen a nervous one if I'm honest but obviously haven't seen as many as you boys. Can I ask, what actually qualifies as a Wheeler bred dog? Is it anything that goes back to Charlie or Keith?

That Billy dog threw some really nervous stuff.Ive seen stuff that would roll on their backs and piss themselves if you bent down to touch them.When i went to SE's place years ago he had youngsters there peering out from under their benches like skulky ferrets.

[downsouth 6,817]

55 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

Fair enough, were them two dogs the defining dogs that set off the 'Wheeler' type then? Was there any others from that era that would qualify? 

There were a few others mate of that type mostly all half brothers of them 2 but them 2 probably saw the most graft and Charlie i would say produced the most workers when bred to different bitches.