Wheeler type picture from past and present

[Waz 4,203]

2 hours ago, downsouth said:

Booth did own Tess before Derek.

RB told me he gave 'one eyed Tess' (breeding unknown) to DW

[Herbert77 49]

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Edited June 29, 2018 by Herbert77

[bull mcabe 595]

One sent over to pd and pf here in Ireland dug alot of game but it was absolute carnage on the dog everytime he was in the  ground. If he was a bit bigger it would have suited him better as he was just a bit small for his heart. Didn't throw anything decent really.

31 minutes ago, downsouth said:

Where did you get it from as i remember Paul who owned Keith having one back off Derek out of Keith and sally2/Rose.Right looking thing but a right load of shit by all accounts.

 

[downsouth 6,818]

46 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

We will have to differ mate ,can't be assed to argue. 

Just asked Derek.He said he had her in 89/90.

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4 hours ago, Glyn..... said:

i found these in my old photobucket account , not sure who sent it me imfo just says Spike's sire Keith , and one eyed Tess mated to Nuttalls Micky 

Did that tess come from Staffordshire way .. 

[jiggy 3,207]

1 hour ago, Herbert77 said:

Plenty of Keith blood in this little chap 

Which the dog or the hare .? only joking it's a fine strong pup.

[Bryan 1,361]

5 hours ago, Glyn..... said:

i found these in my old photobucket account , not sure who sent it me imfo just says Spike's sire Keith , and one eyed Tess mated to Nuttalls Micky 

So Nuttal was making BullX's in the late 80's

But there's no bull blood in anyone's Nuttal Patterdales? That's handy isn't it 

[downsouth 6,818]

7 hours ago, Bryan said:

So Nuttal was making BullX's in the late 80's

But there's no bull blood in anyone's Nuttal Patterdales? That's handy isn't it 

Tess wasnt mated to a nittals Mickey

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7 hours ago, Bryan said:

So Nuttal was making BullX's in the late 80's

But there's no bull blood in anyone's Nuttal Patterdales? That's handy isn't it 

This might finally explain the missing “Border line” that appears in Nuttals pedigrees in the 80’s. Photographs like these are invaluable in any strains history. I could never believe that BN would know the names of dogs in his line going back decades from Breay and Buck but could only write “Border dog and Border bitch” for the missing line. Something was not right with those pedigrees. It was obvious to dog men that bull was added, but denied again and again by Patterdale owners. Perhaps this is the missing link?

[Glyn..... 5,199]

2 hours ago, downsouth said:

Tess wasnt mated to a nittals Mickey

Like i said both photos sent to me with notes attached the bull blood doesn't interest me from my limited experience of staff bull blooded dogs not so much Wheeler as the gould stuff they are to hard and have poor teeth 

[chesney 5,319]

The bull blood is in lines now did it actually improve them or did it just produce dogs that won't last the pace or like to bully there quarry but then decide to quit when it's not going there way.

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

You'd get a different answer for every man you asked that question to I'd say Chesney. The best way, in my eyes for the right answers, is to actually see who has the better kennels of dogs that keep producing, and ask their opinion. Because they must be doing something right.

[Kerny92 1,246]

You've got to ask yourself the question why was bull blood needed in the first place.....

[Glyn..... 5,199]

6 hours ago, p3d said:

This might finally explain the missing “Border line” that appears in Nuttals pedigrees in the 80’s. Photographs like these are invaluable in any strains history. I could never believe that BN would know the names of dogs in his line going back decades from Breay and Buck but could only write “Border dog and Border bitch” for the missing line. Something was not right with those pedigrees. It was obvious to dog men that bull was added, but denied again and again by Patterdale owners. Perhaps this is the missing link?

That is not where the bull was added that was border terriers, I don't think Brian took a pup out of Dw litter  I could be wrong, at that time he was trying to get away from bull blood , this doesn't mean he may not of used it a gen or so down the line, it was about 10 years latter Brian used a bull outcross

Edited June 18, 2018 by Glyn.....

[dillydog 8,414]

And then ask the question "did it help in any way" ?