Kerny92 1,246 Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said: I don't know anyone that would wish such a thing on somebody else. You sure? Quote Link to post
Rabbit Hunter 6,602 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I'm 100%, and if I had any incling that someone I knew would do anything like that, I'd make it known to other mates and I wouldn't bother with the person again. That's a fact. 4 2 Quote Link to post
Kerny92 1,246 Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, downsouth said: All that red stuff that Derek bred has been crossed out so much now that it cant really be called wheeler bred anymore and the blood from Tess is that diluted that it would have very little influence if any on the dogs about these days that lads are still labelling with his name. Of course but they are just a name to use as reference, just like folk still run Nuttall dogs by name when they have been diluted. What's in a name anyway? It doesn't really matter as long as the lads who have the dogs work them. Not being funny but going by what you're saying we should scrap all the names, Nuttall, Wheeler, Gould, Parks, etc. The name of the lines are just there for reference no more or no less. I'm taking the dog despite the Wheeler blood not because of it. The sire is doing the business but I think the dams side is more impressive tbh and she's a rough haired fell type. Quote Link to post
downsouth 6,716 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kerny92 said: Of course but they are just a name to use as reference, just like folk still run Nuttall dogs by name when they have been diluted. What's in a name anyway? It doesn't really matter as long as the lads who have the dogs work them. Not being funny but going by what you're saying we should scrap all the names, Nuttall, Wheeler, Gould, Parks, etc. The name of the lines are just there for reference no more or no less. I'm taking the dog despite the Wheeler blood not because of it. The sire is doing the business but I think the dams side is more impressive tbh and she's a rough haired fell type. No need to stop using the mens names that created the lines if everything in a dogs pedigree goes back to dogs bred by that man A Nutall bred dog hasnt actually got to be bred by the man as long as everything in its lineage is down from dogs he bred but as soon as other dogs ie Parks,Brightmore,gould or even unknown breeding get mixed in its no longer a nuttal dog. 5 Quote Link to post
Kerny92 1,246 Posted June 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 minute ago, downsouth said: No need to stop using the mens names that created the lines if everything in a dogs pedigree goes back to dogs bred by that man A Nutall bred dog hasnt actually got to be bred by the man as long as everything in its lineage is down from dogs he bred but as soon as other dogs ie Parks,Brightmore,gould or even unknown breeding get mixed in its no longer a nuttal dog. Well that is the million dollar question that I can't answer, as long as they are down from good workers they will do for me. The sire has Nuttall/Wheeler blood, wether anything else has been added who knows. It looks typical of those dogs and works well so that's good enough for me. Quote Link to post
shaaark 10,041 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Why are terriermen so hung up on names? I'm not a really keen terrier enthusiast, but all the better ones I have seen working have just been good dog bred to good bitch. All this name bullshit is just that, bullshit, used by people to sell pups to gullible people that know no better lol 1 Quote Link to post
Lozzer 237 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, shaaark said: Why are terriermen so hung up on names? I'm not a really keen terrier enthusiast, but all the better ones I have seen working have just been good dog bred to good bitch. All this name bullshit is just that, bullshit, used by people to sell pups to gullible people that know no better lol It is with some people or terriermen to use the names thing and for the reasons why because the selling dogs . On the other hand though people should respect some names or breeders behind good dogs . Same again though, the dealer wants to know the breeding of peoples dogs and on the other hand someone wants to know the breeding because for genuine reasons only Quote Link to post
trap 85 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 On 16/06/2018 at 14:09, Kerny92 said: Any pics of Tess out there? Been offered a pup that's Nuttall/Wheeler off a pal that's just had a litter. Contemplating whether to have it with working away all the time recently but they are off handy dogs. Tess 1 Quote Link to post
morton 5,367 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 6 hours ago, shaaark said: Why are terriermen so hung up on names? I'm not a really keen terrier enthusiast, but all the better ones I have seen working have just been good dog bred to good bitch. All this name bullshit is just that, bullshit, used by people to sell pups to gullible people that know no better lol The best working terriers i know have no known names behind their lineage and ill nearly guarantee that the terriers that are tested the most don,t have a known kennel behind them.The so called best bred and known mutts that are sold for dollar and not gifted are often a lesser terrier.It boils my piss when a lad as grafted his mutts for decades,never sold one and seldom bred a turd,cannot find a bitch to line to his honest jukel because it does not have a name behind it. 1 Quote Link to post
Lozzer 237 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Work and breed your own then and you know what's what 1 Quote Link to post
morton 5,367 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Lozzer said: Work and breed your own then and you know what's what The best do,the rest look for a trend to follow. 2 Quote Link to post
THE STIFFMEISTER 14,463 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Lozzer said: Work and breed your own then and you know what's what Sorry but that’s a bit of a vicious circle I have a bitch from the ullswater Hunt , my mate has her litter brother , I’ve no doubt they would have been bred from by now but at three years old brock and mere have done nothing of any worth in either of our hands however this does not stop others ...I know a lad Sheffield way who doesn’t dig at all but knocks them out all day long at 350 a shot To come back to my original point , you have to come from somewhere, so to label something as such and such line, is as good a point as any if that’s what it is. 2 Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,091 Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Regardless of names it's very difficult to establish how pure a line is .The more time goes on ,the more difficult it is to keep a line that goes back to these names , you can bet something else has been thrown in to refresh the blood which is never a bad thing bug it just adds another spanner should things go tits up .Being honest about this addition not only puts new owners in the picture but allws them to outcross to the same should things gel.My own effort is all the place now i have added NS but those who got pups are perfectly aware of what gone in to them .Trying to pass off a line as pure is one of the most commen bullshits I know of . Quote Link to post
darencross 72 Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 16/06/2018 at 13:58, Kerny92 said: Yeah I'm sure she was down from Psycho? Did he add more Bull in further down the line? If my memory is right was tests not bred by DB from South Wales Quote Link to post
darencross 72 Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, darencross said: If my memory is right was tests not bred by DB from South Wales Tess Quote Link to post
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