Would you breed from a jacker?

[Robbusher 1,560]

The geniune guys who work there dogs keep there heads down and just get on with there game I’ve seen to many lads over years get a dog smash it to bits in a season  then get rid when they gave dog way to much or try breed from it to earn a quick quid or two

[Kerny92 1,246]

14 minutes ago, Robbusher said:

If the dog not up to job shouldn’t be bred from no matter what blood running through it in my eyes a cur is a cur and should not be allowed to continue its line 

But the thing is that cur still has a great chance of reproducing the goods believe it or not. 

Edited June 13, 2018 by Kerny92

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

Well use it's brother or sister then, like I've already said, the ones that cling to the blood excuse are clutching at straws. Seen it countless times.

[Robbusher 1,560]

My first dog over 20 years ago was a pet Queen Anne Russell to a working lakey dog my dads mates dog he worked and showed me a few things while a was a young teen good memories long gone but never forgotten rip joe

[Kerny92 1,246]

3 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

Well use it's brother or sister then, like I've already said, the ones that cling to the blood excuse are clutching at straws. Seen it countless times.

But what if you couldn't and what's the difference if all 3 have the same opportunity to reproduce. I'm not saying what is right or wrong because nothing is or else we would all have dogs with no failures whatsover.

[Kerny92 1,246]

Just for clarification i would use the proven brother or sister every time given the opportunity but it's a fact that plugs can and do reproduce the goods when they have the right breeding behind them.

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

If that's the case, breed off anything every generation, because 30 years ago it's distant relative was dug to, so by your reasoning, the blood's there right?

 

[Kerny92 1,246]

2 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

If that's the case, breed off anything every generation, because 30 years ago it's distant relative was dug to, so by your reasoning, the blood's there right?

 

Now you're just being silly.

[WEDGEY 749]

4 minutes ago, Kerny92 said:

Just for clarification i would use the proven brother or sister every time given the opportunity but it's a fact that plugs can and do reproduce the goods when they have the right breeding behind them.

[Kerny92 1,246]

1 minute ago, WEDGEY said:

Tired of shaving your dog?

Edited June 13, 2018 by Kerny92

[dillydog 8,414]

On 13/06/2018 at 21:37, foxdropper said:

Goes against the grain for some to even think about breeding from an out and out jacker whatever the blood ties .Would rather travel the length of the country than do that to be honest .Wheres' the confidence in the litter if you use second rate stock .This day and age there isnt' a single reason  to breed from  jackers if work is the reason for keeping terriers. 

That's a simplistic way of looking at it FD, I know where you're coming from but I don't agree. There's hundreds of terriers that get moved on or pts year on year through bad entering,  bad socialisation and so on. If you went with THL  massive  "cull hard" , PTS, never breed from this and that and so on you'd think the country would be full of top notch terriers............sadly we know it' not.

As I've said 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4 in breeding,  I'm not kennel blind and I'm not stupid either.

The best examples I can give from my one lifetimes experience are these breedings. ......Buster and Rip, litter brothers, Buster was one in a million,  Rip was no slouch but he wasn't Buster. Although it could be down to the limited number of bitches they were used on it was Rip that threw the quality pups. Molly and Mullet, again litter sisters, Molly was one of the best bitches I've ever dug to and owned, Mullet was a liability,  in short she was tapped ! Mullet couldn't lace Molly's boots, it was Mullet that threw the quality pups. Treacle, my old bitch had a mistake litter to Sid, nothing from the litter was anything to write home about. The same dog caught her again a few years on and the whole litter are flying.  

The more I see, the less I know, the only thing I've learned in a lifetime of terriers is to take my time and trust the family as a whole.

Edited June 15, 2018 by dillydog

[tinytiger 822]

8 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

If that's the case, breed off anything every generation, because 30 years ago it's distant relative was dug to, so by your reasoning, the blood's there right?

 

Id say that's what happens when Fox terriers, borders etc turn out good.whatever "working genes" were left in manage to find they're way into 1 dog.

[dillydog 8,414]

20 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

Well use it's brother or sister then, like I've already said, the ones that cling to the blood excuse are clutching at straws. Seen it countless times.

What if it's brother or sister isn't available  ? What if you know the dog was pushed to much, worked to hard or kept worse than a f***ing ferret ?

There's so many variables you could write a book on it, you just remember your own saying  "the same yards keep producing" 

[shaneg 2,577]

6 minutes ago, dillydog said:

That's a simplistic way of looking at it FD, I know where you're coming from but I don't agree. There's hundreds of terriers that get moved on or pts year on year through bad entering,  bad socialisation and so on. If you went with THL  massive  "cull hard" , PTS, never breed from this and that and so on you'd think the country would be full of top notch terriers............sadly we know it' not.

As I've said 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4 in breeding,  I'm not kennel blind and I'm not stupid either.

The best examples I can give from my one lifetime experience is these breedings. ......Buster and Rip, litter brothers, Buster was one in a million,  Rip was no slouch but he wasn't Buster. Although it could be down to the limited number of bitches they were used on it was Rip that threw the quality pups. Molly and Mullet, again litter sisters, Molly was one of the best bitches I've ever dug to and owned, Mullet was a liability,  in short she was tapped ! Mullet couldn't lace Molly's boots, it was Mullet that threw the quality pups. Treacle, my old bitch had a mistake litter to Sid, nothing from the litter was anything to write home about. The same dog caught her again a few years on and the whole litter are flying.  

The more I see, the less I know, the only thing I've learned in a lifetime of terriers is to take my time and trust the family as a whole.

Dillydog a mate of mine had a litter and one pup was worse than the other a few years down the like the same dog covered that bitch and every pup in the litter worked. How that was I will never know. Have you ever come up with any reason or taughts why the second litter worked?? On another note I no a lad that bred his bitch to a dog he had both from the same family and before he tried them he put the bitch back in pup again to a dog also from the same family. The first litter had 7 pups one worse than the other and the second litter 7 out of 7 are still going. Just shows how a bitch can produce to one dog and not to another even tho bother dogs and bitch were from the same family 

[Kerny92 1,246]

2 minutes ago, shaneg said:

Dillydog a mate of mine had a litter and one pup was worse than the other a few years down the like the same dog covered that bitch and every pup in the litter worked. How that was I will never know. Have you ever come up with any reason or taughts why the second litter worked?? On another note I no a lad that bred his bitch to a dog he had both from the same family and before he tried them he put the bitch back in pup again to a dog also from the same family. The first litter had 7 pups one worse than the other and the second litter 7 out of 7 are still going. Just shows how a bitch can produce to one dog and not to another even tho bother dogs and bitch were from the same family 

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