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Yes bill I know what Johns pup could do ,a friend has seen it run many times.

  Regarding bull coursing types .....they do ok for what they are but mine is in no way a world beater.

 Regarding reds per session I don't know what you are referring to .

How many cinema ?....

The rest I wouldn't respond to on an open forum .

The litter I bred,their feet are good ,they have enough brain to run and not enough to think about not running ,which does me.

 I haven't decried a type ,I just said adding a pure malinois to buck might not suit many , and knowing ray I don't think ,going by what he said early in the thread that it would suit him.

 And most importantly I said ,just the way I see things .....never said I was right. All the best bill

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back when I started a long long time ago ,saluki was introduced direct to peoples existing lurchers to improve coursing ability, but little did they know just how important these crosses would become

I’ve always worked off the principle that if a animal was bred for a specific purpose the pups will be genetically predisposed to gravitate towards that purpose, actually catching game in this ca

breading the ideal lurcher is a tricky one to say the least, some want this some want that etc etc,, not to big not to small, with coursing dogs it was slightly easier because its more of a specialist

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Also bill I don't think adding coursing dog to a lurcher is a fix all solution I tried it ,the litter are all fair and decent . The ones that have more time spent on them have showed most promise.

 Would I do it again ,maybe not... hence me giving ray the advice early on .....use someone else's hard work and buy a pup off parents that do what you want and have done so for generations. And where you'd own both in a heart beat.

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On 27 May 2018 at 00:26, roybo said:

Also bill I don't think adding coursing dog to a lurcher is a fix all solution I tried it ,the litter are all fair and decent . The ones that have more time spent on them have showed most promise.

 Would I do it again ,maybe not... hence me giving ray the advice early on .....use someone else's hard work and buy a pup off parents that do what you want and have done so for generations. And where you'd own both in a heart beat.

No yas right on the coursing dog thing ya have to breed hard backin with what your aims are silly thinking is int if yas believe by putting a coursing dog with a bull xs ya gonna get best of both worlds hey, one needs to use pure to get better results on the out xes chances of better results.being achieved .so he either goes coursing bull xs mish mash collie types. Called minshaws or hancocks or Burrell  the reason one puts time in to certain types his they need more input to achieve the best results  the same can be said of cur alsation heavily bred animals the more time put on on the right given occasions gets better results I believe this one achieves the best results with any jukel if yas know them we'll .knowing when to put them away his equally has important than running the heart out a something ,easily achieved with any given xs. What do you call decent in the xs you bred it's a turn easily said but what's decent to you please let me know n need toget hokey spoken on open forum I will understand I Sen  decent greyhounds to some rubbish really thought enlighten me how have they come when you say decent something of nothing means very little to me .they in all probability are something of nothing very bred that way Nick from both sides mostly very substandard stock gotten .neither one or tother.take them back either side and one may see better results.atb bill

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Bill I can't really understand 1/2 of what you said there mate. But I'll have a shot

I get the feeling you are saying I bred from sub standard stock,I won't get drawn into a dick measuring competition. I bred of a bitch that was 8 year old and done everything a bull cross is expected to single handed. 

 I have always said self-praise is no praise at all. I am critical of any dog I keep ,to a fault at times ,so ask lads who have had pups off me to give a fair appraisal. I won't big up dogs ,and it tends to come across as I am unhappy. For what I do ,they suffice.

  Am I saying he goes coursing bull X, or collie cross. NO. I said buy a pup off parents that he'd own with a bit of breeding behind them doing what he wants, what breeds are there is entirely dependant on what he likes ,if that happens to be Buck , so be it . I've seen buck in the flesh and he is some animal . 

  This thread isn't about my dogs it's about what to use Buck over . 

 I gave a reply , I did'nt say use mine ,or anyone elses,or mines better that anyone elses. I don't really care what anyone on line thinks about me ,or my dogs ,they are for my enjoyment.

 Again I won't get drawn into what a dog can do on line , in light of recent operations by the BBC.

  You clearly have a lot of experience breeding bill , I salute you. ATB Roy

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Roy you obviously misunderstood I dint say you bred of substandard stock,lol.did you.what I do have his knowledge of types that tend to click breeding livestock bird dog. Horse etc.but that would be passed down to me plus some experience you probably bred more lurchers than me ,but that don't mean I ain't put more types set breeding so to match together,folk looking for advice on lineage that nicks gels together.  Depending what he expects from the breeding from bucks ,needs to cover I believe he should public stud him to all takers free of charge see if any come foreward that way there's a chance we will find what he throws. All this breeding this ta that usually has you may have found out don't allways hold water ,and for what it's worth Roy it's comonsence that geytting a type bred over many generations for the type of work expected stacks the odds in your favour .its nothing knew .i feel there's been some misunderstanding between our posts there we go that's the forum fa yas, just a thought before Buck was bred the breeder was advices by bunnys to use a top greyhound that was where Buck was gotten from the lad was gonna use a grew, thy jukels my jukels fa me it seems I am easily pleased these days but the more I see it's just I myself the way I hunt these days very breed type jukels suit me,a controllable animal his a must , when you find the generation bred lurcher lurcher type that will suit Ray his a nod I know of a few that been looking ,they like the dodo extinct .ps Ray takes some pleasing lol atb bill

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I’m no rocket scientist but if it was me An if birds dog is as good as said he his then it would go to a distance greyhound with good form any bitches that made good uns out the litter would be put back to the original dog then if a future pup was needed you have 2choices put a dog back from the first mating to the original greyhound dam or sorce a greyhound bitch closely related to the original dam it’s all down to the stockman to pick his pairings according 

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A lot of over thinking going on imo.

Buck seems to have the attributes ray likes, if a little more speed and reducing the size a bit is what he's looking for then a grew would fit the bill. Why the hell would you put bull or anything else in when buck does it. If I wanted a gp lurcher I would be first in the queue. 

 

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1 hour ago, billhardy said:

Roy you obviously misunderstood I dint say you bred of substandard stock,lol.did you.what I do have his knowledge of types that tend to click breeding livestock bird dog. Horse etc.but that would be passed down to me plus some experience you probably bred more lurchers than me ,but that don't mean I ain't put more types set breeding so to match together,folk looking for advice on lineage that nicks gels together.  Depending what he expects from the breeding from bucks ,needs to cover I believe he should public stud him to all takers free of charge see if any come foreward that way there's a chance we will find what he throws. All this breeding this ta that usually has you may have found out don't allways hold water ,and for what it's worth Roy it's comonsence that geytting a type bred over many generations for the type of work expected stacks the odds in your favour .its nothing knew .i feel there's been some misunderstanding between our posts there we go that's the forum fa yas, just a thought before Buck was bred the breeder was advices by bunnys to use a top greyhound that was where Buck was gotten from the lad was gonna use a grew, thy jukels my jukels fa me it seems I am easily pleased these days but the more I see it's just I myself the way I hunt these days very breed type jukels suit me,a controllable animal his a must , when you find the generation bred lurcher lurcher type that will suit Ray his a nod I know of a few that been looking ,they like the dodo extinct .ps Ray takes some pleasing lol atb bill

That makes sense to me. Find out whether Buck can or can't pass on what he's got and what types he can best pass it on to. Costs nothing to either side and proves more than any theory anyone can think up.

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29 minutes ago, stormyboy said:

A lot of over thinking going on imo.

Buck seems to have the attributes ray likes, if a little more speed and reducing the size a bit is what he's looking for then a grew would fit the bill. Why the hell would you put bull or anything else in when buck does it. If I wanted a gp lurcher I would be first in the queue. 

 

Why wouldn't you add a little bull to the mix? Get a fast Bull/Greyhound or Saluki/Bull/Greyhound. Can't go wrong there if you use the right dog.

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On 27 May 2018 at 11:27, stormyboy said:

A lot of over thinking going on imo.

Buck seems to have the attributes ray likes, if a little more speed and reducing the size a bit is what he's looking for then a grew would fit the bill. Why the hell would you put bull or anything else in when buck does it. If I wanted a gp lurcher I would be first in the queue. 

 

Best person to ask that his Ray he very fond of bull breeds that maybe why. But I think it could be other attributes he hoping to add may be wrong only Ray knows,yas breed a animal of bucks structure with anything and size weight will reduce.atb bill

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6 hours ago, Kerny92 said:

Why wouldn't you add a little bull to the mix? Get a fast Bull/Greyhound or Saluki/Bull/Greyhound. Can't go wrong there if you use the right dog.

The more breeds the more variable results. Unless you're embarking on a long term programme, which, no offence to Ray, he won't go doing at this stage.

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22 minutes ago, billhardy said:

Best person to ask that his Ray he very fond of bull breeds that maybe why. But I think it could be other attributes he hoping to add may be wrong only Ray knows,yas breed a animal of bucks structure with anything and size weight will reduce.atb bill

Then he would be best getting a bull x.

As for breeding buck with "anything" to reduce size and weight, with respect is a rediculus statement. 

Ray has said buck has the attributes he wants in a dog. Good with people and dogs, turns it on when required and the rest. You add bull to a heavy dog, throw in saluki and you could get anything from a mastiff type to a greyhound.

Buck apparently has guts to spare and a fair turn of speed- what exactly is a bull x going to add? Rays choice at the end of the day but he has said a smaller rabbiting type will probably be the way to go which is why I would go grew.

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9 minutes ago, stormyboy said:

Then he would be best getting a bull x.

As for breeding buck with "anything" to reduce size and weight, with respect is a rediculus statement. 

Ray has said buck has the attributes he wants in a dog. Good with people and dogs, turns it on when required and the rest. You add bull to a heavy dog, throw in saluki and you could get anything from a mastiff type to a greyhound.

Buck apparently has guts to spare and a fair turn of speed- what exactly is a bull x going to add? Rays choice at the end of the day but he has said a smaller rabbiting type will probably be the way to go which is why I would go grew.

Having held Bucks lead one night i'd say a grew is deffo the way to go,Buck has plenty of size,speed and guts as well as brains and ok it was one night but he did all that was needed and did it  well.Breeding him to a grew would throw what you'd think would be thrown and choose a distance running grew the pups would have a chance to be able to handle most things that can get a shift on..

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