Bedlington stud dog Yorkshire

[Daniel cain 42,800]

cock measuring???

[Str 793]

Bedlington stud dog Yorkshire!!

[morton 5,367]

22 hours ago, Rat face said:

I said I'm no expert but I wouldn't  be doing it.

Ill warrant that most of the terrierfok you have met will all do things in their own fashion,to suit their hunting lifestyle and in a manner that their charges allow them.All folk are different and the terriers the same.Id not put a specialised and bred digging terrier in rocks that cannot be easily accessed,suicide.Rock working terriers were once the norm and i firmly believe are as scarce as hens teeth now.It takes a certain type of terrier to adapt to rocks and do the same over seasons,it takes a certain type of terrier that will stay and graft whilst the shovels at work,some terriers will do both.Id rather own a baying bolter,that will engage and kill a reluctant fox,others would rather own a dog better suited to the shovel and earth work.As long as the terrier is earning its keep and indulging the owner,happy days.

[Rat face 1,655]

Well said Morton 

[dogmandont 9,315]

I’ve never known a baying bolter type terrier to kill its fox in soil earths if they wouldn’t shift, they usually continue to bay or come away, I’ll admit I know nothing of rock dogs but are they really that different. 

[Rat face 1,655]

I'd say there very different buddy a fox could be anywhere in the pile down a crack up on a ledge  the natural formation of rocks is crazy a crack in the rocks can go anywhere. Then there is the wind blowing through the pile sending the sent in different directions. The dog might be winding the Fox to the left  though a crack but have to go right to get a round it and try find another way in. 

We stupidly put an inexperienced rock dog in a pile.. she was a fantastic digging bitch probably the best I have ever seen for sher drive and determination. She marked  it from the lead on the way back from checking an earth 

Long story short we had to dig her out as she would never walk away we found her trying to eat/push her away through a 2in crack in the slab. Because that's what digging dogs are there nutters, If they was human they would be locked up in a padded cell lol.  That day I f****d up big time it won't happen again. 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,608]

Rat face, I think I’ve had this conversation before on here, but would you say a good rock dog is a failed digging dog? 

I’ve seen poor earth dogs be fox killers in bales, artificials etc as I think they feel more comfortable in the open air than underground in pitch blackness and in the fox’s proper home.

An example I seen was a mate who had a dog he persevered with for a couple of seasons or more, but it was just an inconsistent failure in an earth, he gave it to some lads that worked rock earths and they had a 6 hour ‘do’ with it in some rocks the first week they had it and couldn’t believe that he’d got rid of it, trust me that dog wouldn’t have done 6 hours in an earth in a million years.

So I suppose my question is; if a dog was a good rock dog but a failed digging dog then surely it shouldn’t be bred from as it’s lacking something?

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[Rat face 1,655]

We have had this convo before.. now this is just my opinion but I'd say yes. But its all about personal choice. People want different things from there dogs a dog that won't stick when digging is no good for digging but if it's  busy type and Will mix why not give it a spin on the rocks. Some lads want a dog will kill if it dosnt bolt but some want a dog that will just do an hour and  if no bolt show.. then see if the Fox will come..... I always say terrier work int black or white. If the dog suits you happy days.. 

Now breeding is something I haven't done a lot of so can't comment really. But if i wanted a dog to stick you wouldn't breed  from one that didn't.   someone with more experience might know a bit more. 

 

[tank34 2,178]

1 hour ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

Rat face, I think I’ve had this conversation before on here, but would you say a good rock dog is a failed digging dog? 

I’ve seen poor earth dogs be fox killers in bales, artificials etc as I think they feel more comfortable in the open air than underground in pitch blackness and in the fox’s proper home.

An example I seen was a mate who had a dog he persevered with for a couple of seasons or more, but it was just an inconsistent failure in an earth, he gave it to some lads that worked rock earths and they had a 6 hour ‘do’ with it in some rocks the first week they had it and couldn’t believe that he’d got rid of it, trust me that dog wouldn’t have done 6 hours in an earth in a million years.

So I suppose my question is; if a dog was a good rock dog but a failed digging dog then surely it shouldn’t be bred from as it’s lacking something?

 A good rock dog will fine anywhere be it rock or earths or on top the nose is on real in a rock dogs as ratface said sent gets blown about dog to work it out an find , seen rock dogs get worked couple times aweek not get mark on em but bolt plenty then times dog in hours fox bolts dog comes out very sore or dog has killed the fox , I think sometimes dog can get the better of fox in rock an kill em but same dog would not in earth funny old game is rock work 

[dogmandont 9,315]

How do you know the fox is dead? How many terriers have taken a face full and walked only for someone to say he must of killed it. And I will say it again I’ve never known a bayer become a fox killer no matter how much room they’ve had. 

[morton 5,367]

8 hours ago, dogmandont said:

How do you know the fox is dead? How many terriers have taken a face full and walked only for someone to say he must of killed it. And I will say it again I’ve never known a bayer become a fox killer no matter how much room they’ve had. 

If you know your terriers,over a few seasons you usually have a good understanding of how they graft,i know mine bolt fox and also kill fox,over a few seasons they earn your trust.With certain terriers you know if they have made contact and the fox did not bolt then its dead.It certainly happens that some prefer to believe something that portrays the mutt more favourably than they should.If you start to doubt the terrier you start to doubt yourself.

[foxdropper 17,092]

Whilst fox killing is not that difficult for a terrier that finds the knack I’m struggling to see how a baying type would ever get the chance to find out .ive owned my share of dispatchers and each and everyone started off their careers a bit on the reckless side .Might be different with other types but that’s my experience .Killing the fox is one thing but staying with it to be dug to also requires a certain type ,those with 100% commitment I’ve found .Ive only owned one that killed a fox then walked .Ive never worked rocks and I’m glad we don’t have any here ,frighten me to death tbh but to say your dog has killed a fox that can’t be found ,will never be found seems a bit foolhardy and silly but what do I know .

There are lads that breed the beddy for digging and to me thats worth preserving the type .

[Rat face 1,655]

My little baying bitch would never kill a Fox if she lived to be a 100 if I'm honest. But she dose me and that's that matters 

A joiner can't hang a door with just a hammer, he needs a few different tools in the box. 

[foxdropper 17,092]

You’ve met our chippy then lol. Agreed mate but would you say a bayer  has any chance to kill a fox or in your opinion does it take a certain reckless type or have you never owned one .

[Rat face 1,655]

I'm my opinion I have never seen a out and out baying terrier kill a Fox. In all honestly buddy I just keep little bolting terriers. That's all I need for the type of work I normally do.  the other lads I go out with keep the proper dogs lol. 

I'm generally honest about the dog's I keep and people who know me will say I never suger coat my dogs. 

But I have a pup that I bred out of two fell/black types and it's tuned out looking like a old school beddy! That's on the way to been a bit more of a harder type than I normally keep.