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[scothunter 12,609]

I think if it were the drs kids they probably would have yes.

The way it's getting portrayed it's as if it's Dr mengele. 

So he lies in a hospital bed in Italy with nothing but prayer.

And the real sad thing is his final days will be a political/religious football.

If you can't trust "specialists" as it wouldn't be the diagnosis of one sole Dr.

 

[WILF 44,259]

Can’t even imagine B.B.........can’t even imagine mate.

I think the difference here is, these poor people are not being given the choice......the hospital has gone to court to get an order to kill the poor little sod and the court has backed them.

I can’t even imagine having to find the strength your stepson did but I know I wouldn’t let anyone else make that choice.

That is the crux of the matter imho 

[mackay 3,049]

1 hour ago, dogmandont said:

Do you think the decision would of been the same if it was their own child.

I'd be inclined to think it would be, I obviously don't know for sure.

How about you?.

[WILF 44,259]

I’m sorry boys, we are all different, but I want to believe that where there is life there is hope and not matter what the expense or so called quality of life that’s their little boy In there.

f***ing money and quality of life ?........they spend more on f***ing paper clips and their citizens are having to live like animals......who the f**k are some government body to decide those things. 

[WILF 44,259]

Whats been done in this case seems terrible........terrible beyond beliefe.

Animals.

[Blackbriar 8,568]

35 minutes ago, WILF said:

Can’t even imagine B.B.........can’t even imagine mate.

I think the difference here is, these poor people are not being given the choice......the hospital has gone to court to get an order to kill the poor little sod and the court has backed them.

I can’t even imagine having to find the strength your stepson did but I know I wouldn’t let anyone else make that choice.

That is the crux of the matter imho 

Thank you for your sentiments, Wilf, but I wasn't looking for sympathy mate. Not at all.

I looked at this story, but I was also thinking of little Alfie Evans and many the many others like him. I found the protests outside the hospital today really distasteful, but there is a common thread - and it's not something that should involve anger or outage. They should hold a much deeper emotion than that.  All of these cases are desperately sad, for everyone involved, but there comes a time when you have to realise that all hope is gone, and it's out of your hands. In this kind of dreadful scenario there are no winners - everyone involved loses..........everyone.

I've had more years than I've got left, but I never complain about getting old - there's far too many who never had the chance.

[Blackbriar 8,568]

47 minutes ago, WILF said:

I’m sorry boys, we are all different, but I want to believe that where there is life there is hope and not matter what the expense or so called quality of life that’s their little boy In there.

f***ing money and quality of life ?........they spend more on f***ing paper clips and their citizens are having to live like animals......who the f**k are some government body to decide those things. 

Where there is life, there's hope ? Not always mate.........not always. Sadly.

[WILF 44,259]

29 minutes ago, Blackbriar said:

Thank you for your sentiments, Wilf, but I wasn't looking for sympathy mate. Not at all.

I looked at this story, but I was also thinking of little Alfie Evans and many the many others like him. I found the protests outside the hospital today really distasteful, but there is a common thread - and it's not something that should involve anger or outage. They should hold a much deeper emotion than that.  All of these cases are desperately sad, for everyone involved, but there comes a time when you have to realise that all hope is gone, and it's out of your hands. In this kind of dreadful scenario there are no winners - everyone involved loses..........everyone.

I've had more years than I've got left, but I never complain about getting old - there's far too many who never had the chance.

I know well you wasn’t mate 

atb 

[neil82 1,008]

4 hours ago, WILF said:

They were going to kill him with chemical suffocation (whatever that is?)

The NHS is there mate, it’s paid for, it’s always being paid for, they have a 100 billion quid every year of other peoples money.......Never mind the morality or emotional side, i just dont think they have the right to make that call with a persons little child.

As was said below, what human being with any heart could give up on the kid......he is a toddler not a f***ing cat ! 

your absolutely f***ing wrong there, no matter what your status is on this forum your f***ing wrong to post bullshit of this type, no matter what costs are involved with any case the NHS has the benefits of the patient as its first consideration, if your own beliefs are life at all costs then they are yours and its up to you if you want to stick to that principle, dragging out a life to continue suffering as medical science is capable of it to satisfy someones hopes or religious beliefs is the act of people who have no understanding of reality

[dave88 1,565]

As I said I totally get what the doctors are saying and have no doubt about their motives behind saying it but....

Asking the lads that are parents themselves, would you accept the doctors decision or would you fight to be able to make the decision yourself? I'm with Wilf on parts of this, it doesn't sit right with me that a young couple can make a baby, bring it into the world, love and care for him and then a team of doctors and some uppity f***ing judges can make decisions like this and the parents have to like it or lump it...this is the same thing that happened to little Charlie Gard last year. Rightly or wrongly I'd feel betrayed...they've taken their son to hospital to be cared for and now the c**ts are holding him hostage and have pretty much relinquished them of their parental responsibilities. It's one of those weird arguments where you can kinda see where both sides are coming from

[dave88 1,565]

6 hours ago, neil82 said:

your absolutely f***ing wrong there, no matter what your status is on this forum your f***ing wrong to post bullshit of this type, no matter what costs are involved with any case the NHS has the benefits of the patient as its first consideration, if your own beliefs are life at all costs then they are yours and its up to you if you want to stick to that principle, dragging out a life to continue suffering as medical science is capable of it to satisfy someones hopes or religious beliefs is the act of people who have no understanding of reality

Take religion, money, science and all that bollocks out of the equation for a sec. This is someone elses child...since when does 'the state' get to make decisions like this in regards to someone else's kid?, they're decent parents from what I've read....they've been told that their son is gonna die, the decision is out of their hands so put up and shut up. As I said I have no doubt the doctors have done everything they can but surely the dad's on here can understand why these parents are doing what they're doing?

Edited April 24, 2018 by dave88

[mackay 3,049]

I would doubt the parents were emotionally or mentally in a position to have to make such a heart wrenching decision and the fact the burden has been taken off them would perhaps lessen it perhaps, even if only slightly.

It may not appear so but infant mortality and toddler deaths are at such a low level in comparison to years gone by that we now think no  child should die, sadly they do. The fact the numbers are so low should endorse doctors capabilities and ethics.

All the people laying on the doctors, next time you need one, treat yourself.

[scothunter 12,609]

3 hours ago, dave88 said:

Take religion, money, science and all that bollocks out of the equation for a sec. This is someone elses child...since when does 'the state' get to make decisions like this in regards to someone else's kid?, they're decent parents from what I've read....they've been told that their son is gonna die, the decision is out of their hands so put up and shut up. As I said I have no doubt the doctors have done everything they can but surely the dad's on here can understand why these parents are doing what they're doing?

The state steps in and has legislation to step in with the advice of shit load of specialists say there is suffering /abuse etc etc.

Don't know and I suspect neither does anyone else here have all the facts or seen the medical records to say we either right or wrong. I put my trust in drs you have to really what's the alternative self diagnosis from Wikipedia. Or forums driven by religious nutters. (Btw not calling anyone on here a  nutter ) . 

Anyway hope the wee man doesn't suffer long. What will be will be. 

[walshie 2,804]

I feel desperately sorry for the poor little boy. It's not as if the doctors haven't tried though. He's been on life support for nearly 18 months now suffering from a degenerative brain condition meaning it's only getting worse. Why would the doctors say further treatment was futile unless that was the case?

Where would you draw the line at keeping someone artificially alive? 18 months? 18 years? 50 years? I'm sure they could keep him alive (only in the biological sense) for a long. long time. 

Poor kid doesn't know anything about what's going on. If there was any hope of recovery I'd be all for giving it a go, but there is none.

Speaking as a parent, it makes me feel ill inside that any parent should ever have to deal with something like this, but I couldn't put my kid through a life of laying in bed hooked up to countless tubes, oblivious to the world and waiting for the inevitable.

The parents need to put their own feelings aside and think what's best for their son. Turning his last time on earth into a media circus isn't the way to do it. 

[peterhunter86 8,627]

I heard he's getting transferred to a hospital in Rome?, my Mrs is a bit obsessed with she couldnt even sleep last night, hopefully they do what's right for the child and if  he isn't going to make it at least he can go with some dignity.

Edited April 24, 2018 by peterhunter86