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On 26/01/2022 at 22:58, notahunter said:

From Big Cat Conversations. Shot in Herefordshire 2019.

This cat has an extra-long tubular tail and muscular thigh and hind-quarters. The tail appears as long as the body. The keeper who shot it states that he regretted it at the time and remains regretful. No hairs or other sample material were taken from this cat for testing, before the body was disposed of, at the wish of the landowner. 

The cat was four and half feet from nose to tail, 24 pounds in weight, and according to the keeper “what stood out were the muscles in its head and jaws, plus spots clearly on both sides.  The ears were rounded on top, not pointed, and very broad”.

What is it?

 

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Me family are travelling people and I always remember me family had camped up on a old USA airbase and us kids would go out messing about in local woods and the old buildings on the base ,anyway they was about 8/9 of us kids walking along a sheep track that made its way through a field full of brambles and tall grass and as we walking along mucking about we see what looked like a big fawn coloured cat ,it was walking towards us but on another track ,it got parallel to us and stopped turned its head to look at us and moved on and it was clearly a small lion and I now think  it was a mountain lion. I really think if they had been just 1 kid it  would have been diffrent outcome but being a group of 8/9 kids with couple teenagers it moved on but wasn't in any rush as it just kept same pace and moved off into the long grass ,we got back to the trailers quick time and told our parents and they all quizzed us on what we had seen asking if it was a deer ,a dog etc we all said it was a large cat .the men went looking for it but couldn't find it ,me gran spoke to a farmer and he said sheep had gone missing and remains of sheep had been found in underground tunnels on the old base . 

Lot of big cats was kept as pets and no dout some escaped or was released by owners when they become to much to handle .

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On 27/01/2022 at 12:47, Greyman said:

The shot cat was with a much bigger one when he shot it, the landowner was present and insisted on him shooting it and threw the corpse in an incinerator so no chance of taking hair samples which really ends the conversation or any chance of truly identifying it, there are more photos but the exit wound is a bit messy to put on the podcast, but the rosettes are clearly visible through the black fur, hybridisation is another big subject  in all this and is always a possibility, there is a picture of a black cat on the podcast that was taken on a trail cam in Devon, it is 2ft at the shoulder but has all the features of a domestic always more questions than answers but one day a good corpse supported by dna will come along until then we just have to keep going, 👍👍

I have no dout they big cats out there people can live in India, Africa ,America etc all there life's and never see one so they not easy animals to find and they plenty woods ,forestry and wild places in UK for them to roam .

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I’m surprised that hunts in areas that have a high volume of sightings haven’t ever had hounds catch one or at the least tree one doesn’t matter how smart a cat has to be to survive it can’t throw 30/40 dogs bred to hunt and run off its scent 

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3 minutes ago, Welsh_red said:

Could you imagine the absolute carnage if you could still buy pets like that easily these days

Club Row, brick Lane early 1970's,i cant remember how much the bloke said he bought it for but it was a pittance £20-30 quid I think? Had it till it grew a bit bigger then swapped it for pigeons or something similar 😳

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19 minutes ago, Welsh_red said:

Could you imagine the absolute carnage if you could still buy pets like that easily these days

Before they brought out the dwa licence in 1975 you could buy any animal from big cats ,bears,crocs, venomous snakes ,wolfs and even apes. Can you imagine how many of these cats and reptiles was released once licensing came into place .I have a few mates who keep venomous snakes and they used to go to a carp lake catching what folk believed was water snakes but was really a type of Asian rear fanged rat snake and one that can pack a punch but not anufe to kill a human . 

Like you say imagine what the streets be like if anyone could buy a tiger ,lion etc today 

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40 minutes ago, mackem said:

Club Row, brick Lane early 1970's,i cant remember how much the bloke said he bought it for but it was a pittance £20-30 quid I think? Had it till it grew a bit bigger then swapped it for pigeons or something similar 😳

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Poor thing 

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6 minutes ago, Moocher71 said:

Before they brought out the dwa licence in 1975 you could buy any animal from big cats ,bears,crocs, venomous snakes ,wolfs and even apes. Can you imagine how many of these cats and reptiles was released once licensing came into place .I have a few mates who keep venomous snakes and they used to go to a carp lake catching what folk believed was water snakes but was really a type of Asian rear fanged rat snake and one that can pack a punch but not anufe to kill a human . 

Like you say imagine what the streets be like if anyone could buy a tiger ,lion etc today 

There was a guy lived in Woking in a double decker bus that owned a lion. 

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55 minutes ago, Welsh_red said:

Could you imagine the absolute carnage if you could still buy pets like that easily these days

South London

 

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1 hour ago, Robbusher said:

I’m surprised that hunts in areas that have a high volume of sightings haven’t ever had hounds catch one or at the least tree one doesn’t matter how smart a cat has to be to survive it can’t throw 30/40 dogs bred to hunt and run off its scent 

Hounds are broken to cats as it wouldn’t look good if they got on tibbles , I do no of one hunt in the south that has put up a cat or two, but seem quite happy with the situation and don’t advertise it, the photo of the big black creature that has been shown on this thread several times was taken on there patch, and someone many moons ago on this thread was following hounds and saw a cat break cover 20 mins before the hounds came through, if I remember he said dogs never picked up on the scent and ran on, so it does happen mate just not in anyone’s interest to shout about it 👍👍

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