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The thing is this debate will never end. If greyman got a pic tonight, clearest pic of a big cat, scaled and proven with some hair and a footprint to bag it would be written straight off as a one off, a stray, a release not a breeding colony etc. 

This is probably my favourite thread on here but only when some new pics or footage come up. The rest of the name calling and arguing is f***ing pointless. 

I spoke to greyman a year or two ago about an experience that I had. I can't say it was a big cat, I can't say it wasn't, but I think/feel it was. What I can say is that it was like nothing that had crossed my path before or since. The wood I was walking in was deathly silent at the time which was very strange. Also when this thing flashed across the path, maybe 20yards infront of us, my dogs didn't want to go after it at all which was massively out of character.

This, the same as any other story, has 100 other explanations so picking big cat wont be many peoples version. It was the feeling that made me know it was something out the ordinary.

Believe what u want, follow what u want, live and let live, no need to start throwing insults about.

 

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12 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said:

@Greyman is there any trail cameras with a screen on them that aren't too much money. Step dad got my boy one but we had to let him keep it at his house as we dont have a computer or laptop here to hook it up to to see the pictures. Would be ideal if I could get a cheap enough one with a screen I can view pictures I take on and if anything decent shows up I can give it up to my mums house to go onto a computer. 

You can get sd card adapters that go on your phone/tablet for a couple of quid if you need to see pics better 

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12 hours ago, Rusty_terrier said:

@Greyman is there any trail cameras with a screen on them that aren't too much money. Step dad got my boy one but we had to let him keep it at his house as we dont have a computer or laptop here to hook it up to to see the pictures. Would be ideal if I could get a cheap enough one with a screen I can view pictures I take on and if anything decent shows up I can give it up to my mums house to go onto a computer. 

That’s the bit I struggle with mate I have an old laptop that barely works that I can view my SD cards on but it does not connect to the internet so I can’t share what I have unless I run the laptop and film the screen with my iPad, have tried a load of them card reader things and none of them have worked 100% a lot of the cameras do have a playback mode built in that you can watch them on, things are a little bit up in the air at the moment trying to move and things but when I,m sorted a decent laptop is one of my first things on my list 👍👍

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5 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Quite funny really would imagine a tiger cub was bigger than an adult savannah quite quickly, also interesting is that the notion of hybridisation is often scoffed at but here is a new hybrid cat that is a mixture of wild and domestic, bit of interesting reading for you  🤔

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13 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Quite funny really would imagine a tiger cub was bigger than an adult savannah quite quickly, also interesting is that the notion of hybridisation is often scoffed at but here is a new hybrid cat that is a mixture of wild and domestic, bit of interesting reading for you  🤔

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The idea that there's a healthy breeding population of hybrid cats needs to be scoffed at IMO, the Leopard/Puma hybrid suffers from dwarfism, and is almost almost certainly infertile. 

You also have to take in to account the consequences of inbreeding with these supposed hybrids which basically makes the likelihood of it being true zero. 

The most plausible answer to them being out there is escapees or released animals. 

I could accept the idea that a released animal could survive in the animal and live out it's life, especially with the abundance of livestock in some areas. 

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14 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

The idea that there's a healthy breeding population of hybrid cats needs to be scoffed at IMO, the Leopard/Puma hybrid suffers from dwarfism, and is almost almost certainly infertile. 

You also have to take in to account the consequences of inbreeding with these supposed hybrids which basically makes the likelihood of it being true zero. 

The most plausible answer to them being out there is escapees or released animals. 

I could accept the idea that a released animal could survive in the animal and live out it's life, especially with the abundance of livestock in some areas. 

I think what you don’t get is a breeding population is not going to make a massive impact all at once it could be half a dozen being born in a year and maybe one of those may be of a cross bred nature, it does not have to be a puma and a leopard as you keep referring to, we had a conversations about raccoons which it is accepted are now breeding in England, not very stealthy animals probably a lot more than 500 in the uk yet when I asked if anyone had a picture of one, not one person myself included could without taking it down from the net, one person claimed to have been within 3ft of one but still no picture, if there were 500 fox or any other common species in the uk we would all struggle to locate them, you keep going on about it’s only escapes yet you have put up some cracking videos off of you tube and if you stopped and digested things a bit you would realise that the sheep photos I put up from Bodmin moor has been killed by an animal that has been taught by its parents to hunt, not by an animal that has spent most of its life in a cage being fed a diet of meat cuts, and it’s the same with most of the carcasses we find, they have one bite mark to throat or nose a hole in through the ribs and all vital organs removed and eaten first, this cannot be taught in a zoo 👍

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16 minutes ago, Greyman said:

I think what you don’t get is a breeding population is not going to make a massive impact all at once it could be half a dozen being born in a year and maybe one of those may be of a cross bred nature, it does not have to be a puma and a leopard as you keep referring to, we had a conversations about raccoons which it is accepted are now breeding in England, not very stealthy animals probably a lot more than 500 in the uk yet when I asked if anyone had a picture of one, not one person myself included could without taking it down from the net, one person claimed to have been within 3ft of one but still no picture, if there were 500 fox or any other common species in the uk we would all struggle to locate them, you keep going on about it’s only escapes yet you have put up some cracking videos off of you tube and if you stopped and digested things a bit you would realise that the sheep photos I put up from Bodmin moor has been killed by an animal that has been taught by its parents to hunt, not by an animal that has spent most of its life in a cage being fed a diet of meat cuts, and it’s the same with most of the carcasses we find, they have one bite mark to throat or nose a hole in through the ribs and all vital organs removed and eaten first, this cannot be taught in a zoo 👍

Animals in captivity kill the same, just look at those animal parks in China where they feed them live animals. 

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On 07/10/2020 at 10:08, Greyman said:

FairPlay sandy you are an incredible man, these people save lives using there skills and you just stick another link up as a counter argument, and think you are significant, I have tried now to answer your questions only to be met with more accusations of lying which I don’t take very well so I will now be ignoring your posts until you have something of any significance to add,  I won’t hold my breath though as I think it may be a while, you are clearly still smarting over your leftie views being exposed and the results of both the referendum and general elections and as I called you on both matters you have decided this is your chance to strike back and ruin something most are enjoying, think the forum was better when you were to embarrassed to show your face after the outcomes of the events mentioned above🖕

The link was in answer to people asking why would the old guy might lie and to the claims made by the "self styled" expert you linked too, not at you personally, perhaps you should be a littler less sensitive. What the feck has this got to do with politics, I was posting on this topic well before the last election etc so please keep it on track there's a good chap.

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8 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Animals in captivity kill the same, just look at those animal parks in China where they feed them live animals. 

We are in England mate live feeding in zoos is not really the done thing here ✌️✌️

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31 minutes ago, Greyman said:

the sheep photos I put up from Bodmin moor has been killed by an animal that has been taught by its parents to hunt

Based on what? If I was to look at a hundred scavenged carcases one would expect a great deal of variety of entry etc based on species of scavenger, sometimes it will be in line with the expected method but sometimes through various reason it will present differently, not every dog will follow the rules, two dogs on a carcass with show different than one but after the event we don't know if it were two or one or even the species. So saying a particular carcass has been scavenged/killed by a particular species is always a dubious undertaking.  a bit like tooth pit ID it is open to interpretation and error and someone looking at a lot of carcases will see atypical ones just because that is the nature of chance.

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47 minutes ago, Greyman said:

We are in England mate live feeding in zoos is not really the done thing here ✌️✌️

I don't understand your point, a cat doesn't care if it's in England or China, they still have that instinct to kill and do so even when in captivity. 

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19 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

I don't understand your point, a cat doesn't care if it's in England or China, they still have that instinct to kill and do so even when in captivity. 

I think the videos I’ve seen in China the animals always make a mess and it’s never a clean kill 

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