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Good question I think Arron often here talk of culling it's interesting to hear what people like to see in there pups and what they don't. And obviously culling Them's a gamble but so is choosing pups to keep ain't it.

 

Edited to add I ain't got the heart to cull pups me self hence why I've never bred a litter of lurchers in me life but I've never sold a lurcher either pup or otherwise.

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Couple of pics of pups mate        

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its a very valid question Aaron, comes down too heart at the end of the day, could or should I of culled some? the truthful answer is yea I possibly should have done, who needs that many pups at the end of the day? Personally I couldn't do it, I don't have the heart too, and that's being honest, I could, however my wife wouldn't/couldn't live with me doing it, my daughter would be livid as well, so its not an option, but I still need stock and therefore Ive done it , however I will ensure they get good homes, I'm in no rush at all with them, in fact homes ain't really a problem, but I knew that before I did it, I always give the same guarantee if the reason for parting is genuine and the dogs been kept right then I will buy it back at price it went for that's assuming money even changed hands for it, its about the best I can do for them, I've done it before and I daresay I d do it again, I see it as part of the ongoing commitment to them,

 

 

now they older its quite easy to tell, what I personally prefer, and what I wouldn't want to keep, myself, don't mean I will have picked the best though, that's something you never know until they get the chance to show it , my personal preference are always the largest pups in the litters, color etc don't bother me its size for me

 

read the last thread about culling and somebody made the point you could of possibly culled the best, which is possibly true, but again you could only ever judge the ones that reached maturity and got the graft anyhow, and not all will make it out of any litter, so many factors that get in the way, hopefully they will make their owners happy, and give them some pleasure as ups and watching them grow out until they ready to go, what comes after that god alone knows, could be the smallest least fancied one that becomes somebodies pride and joy, way I see it they bred worker to worker, sire and dam got lot of seasons graft between them, both still do a bit despite their ages, they not been one trick ponies, so hopefully the pups wont be either,

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Thsts couple litters of your iv seen pics of now an i must say well done mate ye sure know how to do em justice, they pictures of health an all content, well done to you an family, yous do a great job imo

Cheers pal, the missus loves the dogs and is great when it comes too pups and rearing them, she even hand reared a whole litter when my pals bitch died during the birth of her last pup, that was real hard work, these been a breeze dam is real good mother and we had pups off her and weaned real early, easier on the bitch and better for th pups they have thrived and weve not cut any corners, been a costly do but if its worth doing its worth doing right imho, gotta have the best from day one cos we expect them to give it back and some hen they grafting,

 

Ideally I would of waited until next year for these, but Ive the time too do it properly now and likely wont have the same amount of time this time next year,

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Good question I think Arron often here talk of culling it's interesting to hear what people like to see in there pups and what they don't. And obviously culling Them's a gamble but so is choosing pups to keep ain't it.

 

Edited to add I ain't got the heart to cull pups me self hence why I've never bred a litter of lurchers in me life but I've never sold a lurcher either pup or otherwise.

I CAN UNDER STAND THAT IN A PEDDIGREE DOG FOR SHOWING WHAT EVER, LYK MARKING ETC BUT IN A RUNNING DOG WHO THE HELL NO,S AT SHORT AGE OF A DAY OR A WEEK OR SO OF A PUP,,,THIS IS NOT A WIND UP ,, IFF THERE IS A CLEAR REASON THEN I WOULD LIKE TO NO,, SO ME AND MANY MORE DONT PASS BAD STOCK ON

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Good question I think Arron often here talk of culling it's interesting to hear what people like to see in there pups and what they don't. And obviously culling Them's a gamble but so is choosing pups to keep ain't it.

 

Edited to add I ain't got the heart to cull pups me self hence why I've never bred a litter of lurchers in me life but I've never sold a lurcher either pup or otherwise.

I CAN UNDER STAND THAT IN A PEDDIGREE DOG FOR SHOWING WHAT EVER, LYK MARKING ETC BUT IN A RUNNING DOG WHO THE HELL NO,S AT SHORT AGE OF A DAY OR A WEEK OR SO OF A PUP,,,THIS IS NOT A WIND UP ,, IFF THERE IS A CLEAR REASON THEN I WOULD LIKE TO NO,, SO ME AND MANY MORE DONT PASS BAD STOCK ON
Yer I see what you mean be a hard decision for anyone to make with tiny pups that ain't took shape or got characters yet.

 

Nice looking litter tho AG can see abit of efforts been put into them. All the very best 👍🏻

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By culling day old pups you could be culling the best ones in the litter ... it's impossible to tell at that age what is worth keeping and what's not unless they have an obvious deformity .....

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By culling day old pups you could be culling the best ones in the litter ... it's impossible to tell at that age what is worth keeping and what's not unless they have an obvious deformity .....

 

I really struggled with what too do, and its this statement that kept ringing in my ears, cause in reality its the stone cold truth, you really don't know what you are culling at that age, even at eight weeks when they taken some shape and shown a bit character etc, its still impossible to tell anything real solid, look at some of the great dogs take breed or type aside, the real top end ones are all shapes and sizes within the breeds and types of crosses, some say larger litter harsh on the dam, my argument their is properly prepared the dam should easily cope, plus we do our bit by making life easier for her , supplementing extra milk,weaning them asap etc, maybe a much older dam would benefit from a smaller litter, but I wouldn't personally breed from a real old bitch, risk of her dying to high, so for me for now its only deformity which would deter a cull, but again I do see why lads cull, it stops all the chew and heart ache of sorting homes, hearing all the promises etc only too maybe see some go too pure waste for lack of interest, or shifted on, , which is a real kick in the balls to be fair, but in a reason we cant expect them all to turn out great

 

Its a risk and Id advise anyone who thinking of it make sure you prepared for a long haul, coursing pups aint that popular nowadays and theres more than the market needs, likely the same with all types of lurcher, add to the fact its a bad time of year cause people have holidays planned etc, its only sensible to assume you could be stuck with a couple more than you want for a while longer than you wish to be lol but everything worth having is a risk in life and you get nowhere without trying, as long as I do my level best by them before they go the rest time will tell

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Just out of interest What made you go to a full saluki mate instead of another purpose bred coursing type?

 

I mainly run pure saluki's mate, and own the stud dog, he been to a few bitches since he been at stud and produced some real nice handy durable stock, I also keep the odd coursing lurcher and ran the full litter brother to the dam, my friend ran the dam and her sister all there running lives so I know where she been who she been with and what she done and not done, same with rest of the litter, I really like the breeding on the dams side, we had a few from these lines and they all been good animals, so its a no brainer for me too stick around what has worked for me for the last ten year, pure saluki and buddy blood has been mixed before with great results by men who know far better than me , I liked what I seen and now have gone that way myself, this is a repeat mating so I sort of already know what is coming from them already to a degree

 

I suppose it would be a site easer to buy from someone elses litter, but why when I have my own stuff? there's no guarantee you will be able to buy what you want either, some litters impossible to get something from, plus you never going to get the cream of the crop, or even know what best pup is cause you only see when you go too buy one, I'm not sure I would be able to put the same commitment into a dog I got elsewhere either, although litters are hard work expensive and can lead to a load of disappointment no matter how hard you try, I really enjoy the rearing, training entering conditioning every bit as much as I do running the dogs, I know exactly whow the pups been reared which to me is real important as Ive got too spend the next two year working and living with it,

 

Back to why use the pure saluki? I know him well, inside out in fact, we worked together for many seasons, day and night he competent and consistent on variety of stuff, he produces very nice sound stock physically and mentally when put to a variety of well bred and tested bitches, it worked well enough last time, there no reason too assume it wont this time, so fingers crossed, I'm selfish and want the best one or two out the litter, but if another man gets the best one then fair play to him

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By culling day old pups you could be culling the best ones in the litter ... it's impossible to tell at that age what is worth keeping and what's not unless they have an obvious deformity .....

 

 

 

By culling day old pups you could be culling the best ones in the litter ... it's impossible to tell at that age what is worth keeping and what's not unless they have an obvious deformity .....

 

I really struggled with what too do, and its this statement that kept ringing in my ears, cause in reality its the stone cold truth, you really don't know what you are culling at that age, even at eight weeks when they taken some shape and shown a bit character etc, its still impossible to tell anything real solid, look at some of the great dogs take breed or type aside, the real top end ones are all shapes and sizes within the breeds and types of crosses, some say larger litter harsh on the dam, my argument their is properly prepared the dam should easily cope, plus we do our bit by making life easier for her , supplementing extra milk,weaning them asap etc, maybe a much older dam would benefit from a smaller litter, but I wouldn't personally breed from a real old bitch, risk of her dying to high, so for me for now its only deformity which would deter a cull, but again I do see why lads cull, it stops all the chew and heart ache of sorting homes, hearing all the promises etc only too maybe see some go too pure waste for lack of interest, or shifted on, , which is a real kick in the balls to be fair, but in a reason we cant expect them all to turn out great

 

Its a risk and Id advise anyone who thinking of it make sure you prepared for a long haul, coursing pups aint that popular nowadays and theres more than the market needs, likely the same with all types of lurcher, add to the fact its a bad time of year cause people have holidays planned etc, its only sensible to assume you could be stuck with a couple more than you want for a while longer than you wish to be lol but everything worth having is a risk in life and you get nowhere without trying, as long as I do my level best by them before they go the rest time will tell

 

 

 

 

Just out of interest What made you go to a full saluki mate instead of another purpose bred coursing type?

 

I mainly run pure saluki's mate, and own the stud dog, he been to a few bitches since he been at stud and produced some real nice handy durable stock, I also keep the odd coursing lurcher and ran the full litter brother to the dam, my friend ran the dam and her sister all there running lives so I know where she been who she been with and what she done and not done, same with rest of the litter, I really like the breeding on the dams side, we had a few from these lines and they all been good animals, so its a no brainer for me too stick around what has worked for me for the last ten year, pure saluki and buddy blood has been mixed before with great results by men who know far better than me , I liked what I seen and now have gone that way myself, this is a repeat mating so I sort of already know what is coming from them already to a degree

 

I suppose it would be a site easer to buy from someone elses litter, but why when I have my own stuff? there's no guarantee you will be able to buy what you want either, some litters impossible to get something from, plus you never going to get the cream of the crop, or even know what best pup is cause you only see when you go too buy one, I'm not sure I would be able to put the same commitment into a dog I got elsewhere either, although litters are hard work expensive and can lead to a load of disappointment no matter how hard you try, I really enjoy the rearing, training entering conditioning every bit as much as I do running the dogs, I know exactly whow the pups been reared which to me is real important as Ive got too spend the next two year working and living with it,

 

Back to why use the pure saluki? I know him well, inside out in fact, we worked together for many seasons, day and night he competent and consistent on variety of stuff, he produces very nice sound stock physically and mentally when put to a variety of well bred and tested bitches, it worked well enough last time, there no reason too assume it wont this time, so fingers crossed, I'm selfish and want the best one or two out the litter, but if another man gets the best one then fair play to him

 

 

Spot on and well said. Agree,

i could never cull any myself,! A lot of pure salukis and saluki saturated lurchers, can take up to 2 to 3 years to mature right and come right. Lot don't have patients for this and each to their own, but that is just me. :thumbs:

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the look on lads faces when they take away the pup they have picked is priceless more so If they fetched missus and kids along, their is a lot of pleasure to be had from pups as well as the trauma and dramas they can fetch, seeing pictures of them as they progress and hearing how they do when entered is nice as well, you get too meet new lads and get days out different places as well which a real bonus lol , plus you get your own stock out if it, which the biggest bonus of all imho

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Thanks for your reply mate. Pups look bang on. Good luck with the litter.

No chew and thanks pal :thumbs::thumbs: twats are awake again and wrecking the place :cray: and the day in only young, if they wake the missus up they may yet be culled :laugh::laugh:

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