k99yle 53 Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 What would you say is the best thermal imaging spotting scope for up to 500 yards? And what would be the best value for money? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 The best spotter Pulsar Helion XP50 but its the most expensive from the Pulsar range but the image quality is noticeably better over the XQ models. If your on a budget the quantum lites are ok, they will detect heat signatures but the image is nowhere near the Helion XQ or XP quality, but for the price there good compared to any alternatives.. Give me a shout if your after one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
72line per 21 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 if your interested in a thermal i got one as i have just upgraded youtube channel b4ger731 and see it in action its a xp100 hand held fits in the palm of your hand Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ukhunter 104 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 if your after a thermal scope then a Ward WT1-75-3 or 75-6 as nothing on the market beats it for price or performance got this off the NV Forum What Pulsar call a thermal imaging scope is what is commonly called a spotter - a hand held device used for scanning and detecting potential quarryWhat Pulsar call a thermal sight is what is commonly called a riflescope - a gun mounted device with a reticle used for aiming the gun and shooting quarryAll their spotters now use 17 micron thermal cores and are:Helion: XQ (384x288 thermal core) or XP (640x480 thermal core) - the number after the XQ or XP is the focal length of the objective lens - bigger numbers mean more magnification, greater detection range, but narrower field of view. The Helion is the new model with WiFi, on board recording and a much improved battery pack.Quantum lite: basically, the old model XQ but with smaller lens (23 or 30mm) - No wifi, no on board recording and the old style battery pack - but excellent value for moneyTheir Riflescopes are:Trail: XP or XQ - 17 micron core with either 384x288 pixels (XQ) or 640x480 pixels (XP) both available in 38 or 50mm lensesApex: all use the older 25 micron 384x288 thermal cores. The XQ LRF models have a built in rangefinder, the XD models don't.It depends on how you want to measure performance, but detection range is the most commonly quoted parameter.Detection range set is by the foal length of the objective lens and the pixel pitch of the sensor (17 microns or 25 microns) and is NOT dependent on the number of pixelsSo, performance for the spotters would be (best first)Helion XQ50F and Helion XP50Helion XQ38F and Helion XP38Quantum lite XQ30VHelion XP28Quantum lite XQ23VHelion XQ19FPerformance for the riflescopes would be (best first)Apex XD75 (because it has the biggest lens on any of their thermal products)Trail XQ50 and Trail XP50Trail XQ38 and Trail XP38Apex XQ50 and Apex XD50Apex XQ38 and Apex XD38 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 I don't agree with that list at all... and i've used them first hand.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bunnyboiler 1,050 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Surely the Pulsar Helion XP50 would be better than the Pulsar Helion XQ50F 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Helion XP50 - Is the only 640 handheld I would consider the 2.5x optical mag is ideal alongside the 640 res sensor.. 380 Sensor models. Helion XQ50F - Good but IMO too tight a field of view at 4.1, is limiting. Helion XQ38F - Best bang allround thermal for the money, 3.1 great mag without limiting FOVQuantum lite XQ30V - Great for money, poor lens causes slightly grainy image..Helion XP28 - Get an XP50 insteadQuantum lite XQ23V - Get an XQ30V insteadHelion XQ19F - Get an XQ38F insteadPerformance for the riflescopes would be (best first) Trail XQ50 and The 17micron sensor provides a sharper detailed image than the older Apex 25micron Apex models) Trail XQ50 is the one to go for out of the Trail models, purely down to the 2.7x mag for anything over 100yds.. Apex XQ50 /LRF - Apex XQ50 with 17 micron provides same quality as Trail XQ50 Trail XP50 --- Amazing 640 res image the best detail under 150yds, shooting further, personally save cash and get an XQ50 model. Apex XD75 (Good, but now superseded by the better 17 micron sensors, regardless of lens size) Trail XQ38 and Trail XP38 --- Get an XQ50 instead!!!Apex XQ38 and Apex XD38 - As above... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ukhunter 104 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I don't agree with that list at all... and i've used them first hand.. im going buy what they say on the nv form and them guys no what there talking about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ukhunter 104 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Helion XP50 - Is the only 640 handheld I would consider the 2.5x optical mag is ideal alongside the 640 res sensor.. 380 Sensor models. Helion XQ50F - Good but IMO too tight a field of view at 4.1, is limiting. Helion XQ38F - Best bang allround thermal for the money, 3.1 great mag without limiting FOV Quantum lite XQ30V - Great for money, poor lens causes slightly grainy image.. Helion XP28 - Get an XP50 instead Quantum lite XQ23V - Get an XQ30V instead Helion XQ19F - Get an XQ38F instead Performance for the riflescopes would be (best first) Trail XQ50 and The 17micron sensor provides a sharper detailed image than the older Apex 25micron Apex models) Trail XQ50 is the one to go for out of the Trail models, purely down to the 2.7x mag for anything over 100yds.. Apex XQ50 /LRF - Apex XQ50 with 17 micron provides same quality as Trail XQ50 Trail XP50 --- Amazing 640 res image the best detail under 150yds, shooting further, personally save cash and get an XQ50 model. Apex XD75 (Good, but now superseded by the better 17 micron sensors, regardless of lens size) Trail XQ38 and Trail XP38 --- Get an XQ50 instead!!! Apex XQ38 and Apex XD38 - As above... Performance for the riflescopes would be (best first) Ward WT1-75-3 or 75-6 as nothing on the market beats it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I listed Pulsar products..and I've used them all... Only two choice out of the handhelds for me Helion XQ38F or Helion XP50 Or from the rifle scopes, Trail XQ50 Problem being when it comes to the chinese one https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/thermal-weapon-sight-rifle-scope-for_60636116373.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.10.qaWAJB 17 micron sensor, 75mm lens size but the WT75-3 is £4k and the WT75-6 £5k , they give a great image..BUT the design is not brilliant, white reticules on white heat source?? No multiple, memory function, no PIP function, no multiple reticules, crap mount, menu function poor... The Pulsar menu functions are proven, the design improved...an XQ50 will cost you shopping around £2700 a WT75-3 will cost £4000 Whats the difference, both 17 micron sensors, ones got a 50mm lens, the other a 75mm lens. One is 2.7x mag the other claims 6x mag when in theory it should be around 4.2x optical, unless the eye display is magnified.... In all honesty for foxing, I'd rather have a Drone Pro and a Handheld thermal. I use a thermal rifle scope purely for rabbits, to shoot in quick succession and to get on target fast...for this I could of put anything on my rifle, but best cost/performance, Trail XQ50 or Apex XQ50 all day long..yes for an extra £1300 you could have a better image from a larger lensed WT75-3 , but its very basic in relation to software and design..if these were better I would have one, but the overall package puts me off.. So many opinions and choices a lot read shite on the net and take it as gospel... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ftm 3,357 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 xq50 will do the job can see critters 500+ yds away 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BRY 79 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I get on with my xq50 great And you learn by movement of prey and shape using it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ukhunter 104 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 i have never had or tested a wt1 but im going by someone that had the trail but now has a wt1 and its much better would be good to see a thermal scope top 10 shoot out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Igz 1,366 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Going to get myself the xq38 f at the game fair next week so have a little look before I buy. My mates got the 50 and it's a great bit of kit but the 38 will do me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Give me a shout if you want a Helion, best price Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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