Indyref2

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

 

It seems to me that the nationalist seem to have it in there heads that there always getting a rough deal when in fact Scotland has the best deal on many things that the rest of us are subsidizing they have been unchallenged for 10 years there living in a bubble ...problem with bubbles is they eventually pop!

Unfortunately, if Scotland ever did become independent, public spending would have to be slashed in a way that would make most Scotsmen beg to be allowed back into the UK under a Tory government. That's not forgetting all the powers that will be handed back to Brussels with no rebate

 

 

 

what makes you say that mate? we also wouldnt be paying large sums towards high speed rail, upkeep on buckingham palace, westminster, trident etc etc

 

 

in the north we get far less than you lot do, spending wise that's for certain, we have spent far too long trying to appease a minority and look where that's got us on the world stage, yet again kowtowing to a delude poison dwarf and a bunch ungrateful deluded traitors, its ridiculous, you lot need to get realistic and start helping rebuild the union your part of and always will be, lip service will only be paid so long, the majority have spoken if they did not see the facts clearly at the time then they simply do not deserve the vote imho,

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

 

 

That's assuming the EU will take you of course and I can think of 3 countries who will veto that. What exactly are you going to use for currency? You can't have the pound with the tyrannical Queen's head on and you can't have the Euro because, well you won't be in the EU.

 

Maybe you could share the Gambian dalasi?

 

To me as the average Englishman. it would be a shame to see Scotland throw themselves into the abyss as I know a lot of decent Scots, but if it stops the SNP and their supporters whinging like bitches every day, then tata!

 

cmon mate you can do better than this, show me information that states the 3 countries have said they will 100% veto scotland

 

we can use the pound, some of the old arguments you guys are repeating have been debunked loads of times. its just as much scotlands as its any other country in the uk... we have seen recent the drop in the pound, how much more would it drop without scotland? would be a big loss, in the hard times to come

 

 

What you say doesn't make sense. Of course the pound is as much yours as it is any country in the UK. Surely the point is you wouldn't be in the UK, so therefore not yours any more?

 

 

cmon mate, 3 countries 100% ???

 

we helped make the pound what it was, scotland contributed, either way if there was a yes vote the pound can be used as a currency union or not.. there would be alot to loose for the rest of uk if not, common sense? theres more to come on currency, hopefully we can both be more clear instead of repeating 2014

 

there is only a minority wanting to repeat 2014, the majority want to make some form of progress we spent enough time treading water on this , listen too the majority it works far better in the long run,

[walshie 2,804]

Of course I can't prove 100% that Spain, Belgium and Holland don't want you in the EU, but if you're basing your hopes on the fact that it might only be 90%., then it's a big gamble, don't you think?

 

At the end of the day, regardless of how well Scotland would or wouldn't do out of the UK, you have these minor hurdles to cross first:

 

1: You'd have to be allowed to have "once in a generation" referendum.

2: You'd have to win said referendum on the second time of trying.

3: The countries above would have to make a sharp u-turn in their opinion of Scotland.

 

If all the above worked out (which I seriously doubt) would the people who voted to stay in the Union be allowed a third referendum because they didn't like the result? Or is it only Nationalists who are allowed to do that? Would the SNP whining bitches in Westminster vote to make themselves all unemployed?

 

If the above didn't work out, would Sturgeon shut her stupid fat mouth and let the UK get on with more important stuff?

[Malt 379]

As a side note the Scottish parliament have now gone 12 months without passing any legislation, they're meant to be running a country up there ain't they?

[walshie 2,804]

As a side note the Scottish parliament have now gone 12 months without passing any legislation, they're meant to be running a country up there ain't they?

 

Shows what important matters they have to deal with on a day to day basis.

[Joe1888 672]

Of course I can't prove 100% that Spain, Belgium and Holland don't want you in the EU, but if you're basing your hopes on the fact that it might only be 90%., then it's a big gamble, don't you think?

 

At the end of the day, regardless of how well Scotland would or wouldn't do out of the UK, you have these minor hurdles to cross first:

 

1: You'd have to be allowed to have "once in a generation" referendum.

2: You'd have to win said referendum on the second time of trying.

3: The countries above would have to make a sharp u-turn in their opinion of Scotland.

 

If all the above worked out (which I seriously doubt) would the people who voted to stay in the Union be allowed a third referendum because they didn't like the result? Or is it only Nationalists who are allowed to do that? Would the SNP whining bitches in Westminster vote to make themselves all unemployed?

 

If the above didn't work out, would Sturgeon shut her stupid fat mouth and let the UK get on with more important stuff?

 

they wont veto mate, me and mushy already went through this, eh lad?

 

1. there are other options mate, lets just see what pans out, i believe the uk gov will change its stance on this. mays already said we will know how things are going to look within 18 months, kind of shot herself in the foot

2. this is true, it could go either way, its closer than yous think

3. its all in the wording mate, could, might, bla bla bla, poltics game. you guys are quick enough to point this out to me the latest has been.

 

 

would you be ok with another referendum in future of the uk rejoining the eu?

[mushroom 12,387]

 

 

 

 

I've never seen Scotland as a separate country too be honest, but I do see the strength in the union, though it's been evident down the ages

Sturgeon is simply playing the oldest game in politics, divide and conquer, only thing is now she starting to grate a little, decisions been made and now it's too live with thank his you saw sense and stayed with us, after all you have never had too stand on your own two feet before, now is no time too start imho far bigger and better practised have tried and failed, truth is she only guessing it will be better without us but she has no evidence whatsoever that this would be the case, you could just as easily go straight under, just say Europe puts youse on a long term waiting list seeing as your not an exsisting member in your own right? You are there because of our backing, truth and fact are that 'we' for want of a better word have supported you forever you would not last five mins without us and that's a fact, but seeing as we all together and staying that way who cares

It seems to me that the nationalist seem to have it in there heads that there always getting a rough deal when in fact Scotland has the best deal on many things that the rest of us are subsidizing they have been unchallenged for 10 years there living in a bubble ...problem with bubbles is they eventually pop!

the old subsidize line, i was wondering when that would be mentioned... what next, scotland cant afford to be independent

Ironically Joe the only way Scotland will afford it is by taking the deserting companys after brexit and filling the place with eastern Europeans to fill the jobs loosing any identity they had you will have more poles than Scott's ... so much for nationalism and identity eh ? you couldn't make it up lol

 

we"ll do just fine on our own mate, like many other small nations..

 

No you won't

 

I'm still waiting for you to come back on all those points I made :laugh:

 

You have nothing to offer the world, the EU or your own people. I hope you get independence and when you fail, then it's your own countrymen you independistas will have to answer to and they will be pretty pissed about it

 

Answer this very one easy question Joe;

 

Why does the Union exist, who requested it and why?

[Joe1888 672]

 

 

 

 

 

I've never seen Scotland as a separate country too be honest, but I do see the strength in the union, though it's been evident down the ages

Sturgeon is simply playing the oldest game in politics, divide and conquer, only thing is now she starting to grate a little, decisions been made and now it's too live with thank his you saw sense and stayed with us, after all you have never had too stand on your own two feet before, now is no time too start imho far bigger and better practised have tried and failed, truth is she only guessing it will be better without us but she has no evidence whatsoever that this would be the case, you could just as easily go straight under, just say Europe puts youse on a long term waiting list seeing as your not an exsisting member in your own right? You are there because of our backing, truth and fact are that 'we' for want of a better word have supported you forever you would not last five mins without us and that's a fact, but seeing as we all together and staying that way who cares

It seems to me that the nationalist seem to have it in there heads that there always getting a rough deal when in fact Scotland has the best deal on many things that the rest of us are subsidizing they have been unchallenged for 10 years there living in a bubble ...problem with bubbles is they eventually pop!

the old subsidize line, i was wondering when that would be mentioned... what next, scotland cant afford to be independent

Ironically Joe the only way Scotland will afford it is by taking the deserting companys after brexit and filling the place with eastern Europeans to fill the jobs loosing any identity they had you will have more poles than Scott's ... so much for nationalism and identity eh ? you couldn't make it up lol

 

we"ll do just fine on our own mate, like many other small nations..

 

No you won't

 

I'm still waiting for you to come back on all those points I made :laugh:

 

You have nothing to offer the world, the EU or your own people. I hope you get independence and when you fail, then it's your own countrymen you independistas will have to answer to and they will be pretty pissed about it

 

Answer this very one easy question Joe;

 

Why does the Union exist, who requested it and why?

 

 

 

hahaha, your some man, everyone read the posts mate, you ducked and dived like mayweather

[walshie 2,804]

 

Of course I can't prove 100% that Spain, Belgium and Holland don't want you in the EU, but if you're basing your hopes on the fact that it might only be 90%., then it's a big gamble, don't you think?

 

At the end of the day, regardless of how well Scotland would or wouldn't do out of the UK, you have these minor hurdles to cross first:

 

1: You'd have to be allowed to have "once in a generation" referendum.

2: You'd have to win said referendum on the second time of trying.

3: The countries above would have to make a sharp u-turn in their opinion of Scotland.

 

If all the above worked out (which I seriously doubt) would the people who voted to stay in the Union be allowed a third referendum because they didn't like the result? Or is it only Nationalists who are allowed to do that? Would the SNP whining bitches in Westminster vote to make themselves all unemployed?

 

If the above didn't work out, would Sturgeon shut her stupid fat mouth and let the UK get on with more important stuff?

 

they wont veto mate, me and mushy already went through this, eh lad?

 

1. there are other options mate, lets just see what pans out, i believe the uk gov will change its stance on this. mays already said we will know how things are going to look within 18 months, kind of shot herself in the foot

2. this is true, it could go either way, its closer than yous think

3. its all in the wording mate, could, might, bla bla bla, poltics game. you guys are quick enough to point this out to me the latest has been.

 

 

would you be ok with another referendum in future of the uk rejoining the eu?

 

 

Lad? Lol.

 

Of course I wouldn't be ok with another referendum in the future to rejoin the superstate that probably won't even exist a few years from now. The majority wanted out. we're leaving.

 

A more likely scenario if you left the Union would be another referendum to rejoin it.

 

I genuinely admire your optimism and loyalty, but IMO both are unfounded.

[mushroom 12,387]

 

 

 

That's assuming the EU will take you of course and I can think of 3 countries who will veto that. What exactly are you going to use for currency? You can't have the pound with the tyrannical Queen's head on and you can't have the Euro because, well you won't be in the EU.

 

Maybe you could share the Gambian dalasi?

 

To me as the average Englishman. it would be a shame to see Scotland throw themselves into the abyss as I know a lot of decent Scots, but if it stops the SNP and their supporters whinging like bitches every day, then tata!

 

cmon mate you can do better than this, show me information that states the 3 countries have said they will 100% veto scotland

 

we can use the pound, some of the old arguments you guys are repeating have been debunked loads of times. its just as much scotlands as its any other country in the uk... we have seen recent the drop in the pound, how much more would it drop without scotland? would be a big loss, in the hard times to come

 

 

What you say doesn't make sense. Of course the pound is as much yours as it is any country in the UK. Surely the point is you wouldn't be in the UK, so therefore not yours any more?

 

 

cmon mate, 3 countries 100% ???

 

we helped make the pound what it was, scotland contributed, either way if there was a yes vote the pound can be used as a currency union or not.. there would be alot to loose for the rest of uk if not, common sense? theres more to come on currency, hopefully we can both be more clear instead of repeating 2014

 

Ok put it this way;

 

Say Spain and Belgium don't veto. You still have to meet the minimum criteria for entry. Frankly your economy is weaker than Greece's, so there is the first stumble. You don't have any way of shoring up your benefits system or NHS, second. The EU has categorically said it will not negotiate with Hollyrood as it does not recognise it as an sovereign government, third!

 

Just these three points alone mean you are fuucked

 

That's without even mentioning the fact that under law any independence ref has to be ok'd by Westminster for it to be legal :laugh:

[mushroom 12,387]

 

Of course I can't prove 100% that Spain, Belgium and Holland don't want you in the EU, but if you're basing your hopes on the fact that it might only be 90%., then it's a big gamble, don't you think?

 

At the end of the day, regardless of how well Scotland would or wouldn't do out of the UK, you have these minor hurdles to cross first:

 

1: You'd have to be allowed to have "once in a generation" referendum.

2: You'd have to win said referendum on the second time of trying.

3: The countries above would have to make a sharp u-turn in their opinion of Scotland.

 

If all the above worked out (which I seriously doubt) would the people who voted to stay in the Union be allowed a third referendum because they didn't like the result? Or is it only Nationalists who are allowed to do that? Would the SNP whining bitches in Westminster vote to make themselves all unemployed?

 

If the above didn't work out, would Sturgeon shut her stupid fat mouth and let the UK get on with more important stuff?

 

they wont veto mate, me and mushy already went through this, eh lad?

 

1. there are other options mate, lets just see what pans out, i believe the uk gov will change its stance on this. mays already said we will know how things are going to look within 18 months, kind of shot herself in the foot

2. this is true, it could go either way, its closer than yous think

3. its all in the wording mate, could, might, bla bla bla, poltics game. you guys are quick enough to point this out to me the latest has been.

 

 

would you be ok with another referendum in future of the uk rejoining the eu?

 

Watch them veto and don't even for a second think we have "had this out" you fuucking moron.

 

Spain cannot and will not risk losing Pais Basquo or Cataluña. France will not want their separatist regions pissing off, no way on God's sweet earth will Belgium allow a Flemish separatism.

 

You are a fool if you cannot see this.

 

PS Cataluña have refs every year which Central government of Spain, The EU and every single organisation in-between do not recognise. Not one of them!!! So what makes you fuucking idiots so special? (By idiots I am referring to pricks like Joe and Kranky, not the everyday genuine Jock who just want to get on with their lives)

[mushroom 12,387]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never seen Scotland as a separate country too be honest, but I do see the strength in the union, though it's been evident down the ages

Sturgeon is simply playing the oldest game in politics, divide and conquer, only thing is now she starting to grate a little, decisions been made and now it's too live with thank his you saw sense and stayed with us, after all you have never had too stand on your own two feet before, now is no time too start imho far bigger and better practised have tried and failed, truth is she only guessing it will be better without us but she has no evidence whatsoever that this would be the case, you could just as easily go straight under, just say Europe puts youse on a long term waiting list seeing as your not an exsisting member in your own right? You are there because of our backing, truth and fact are that 'we' for want of a better word have supported you forever you would not last five mins without us and that's a fact, but seeing as we all together and staying that way who cares

It seems to me that the nationalist seem to have it in there heads that there always getting a rough deal when in fact Scotland has the best deal on many things that the rest of us are subsidizing they have been unchallenged for 10 years there living in a bubble ...problem with bubbles is they eventually pop!

the old subsidize line, i was wondering when that would be mentioned... what next, scotland cant afford to be independent

Ironically Joe the only way Scotland will afford it is by taking the deserting companys after brexit and filling the place with eastern Europeans to fill the jobs loosing any identity they had you will have more poles than Scott's ... so much for nationalism and identity eh ? you couldn't make it up lol

 

we"ll do just fine on our own mate, like many other small nations..

 

No you won't

 

I'm still waiting for you to come back on all those points I made :laugh:

 

You have nothing to offer the world, the EU or your own people. I hope you get independence and when you fail, then it's your own countrymen you independistas will have to answer to and they will be pretty pissed about it

 

Answer this very one easy question Joe;

 

Why does the Union exist, who requested it and why?

 

 

 

hahaha, your some man, everyone read the posts mate, you ducked and dived like mayweather

 

Answer the fuucking question fuucknut

[Joe1888 672]

You cant compare the two, be carefull on ripping into scotlands ££££ the bbc have just been found guilty of reporting false information.. LOL

 

Around 100 billion £ exports would be a good place to start for a new independent scotland

 

 

The EU “procedure”, incidentally, would go something like this:

 

SCOTLAND: Can we join/stay, please?

 

EU: Do you meet all the criteria?

 

SCOTLAND: Yes, we’ve been a member for 40 years already in the UK.

 

EU: Welcome! There seems to be a seat free.

[TOPPER 1,809]

Joe take those rose tinted glasses off and admit Scotland is BANKRUPT you couldn t survive without England bailing you out and subsidising your day to day existence without England you would have no NHS or social services and next to no work your biggest exports are to England without the union your fcked the eu don t want you as you would be another Greece so there not about to let you in the club even without the veto s krankys been told this on her trip to Brussels paid for by England , as for currency you can have your scottish pound that would be worthless on the world markets as you have nothing to invest into , the clue is in the words Bank of England it our money and you cant have it you can keep your bank of scotland debts , without the English money scotland would be a very dire place bit like romania in the 60 s and the people of scotland would almost certainly hang all those SNP idiots who put them in that position for everybodys sake ge rid of sturgeon and salmond start running your country and stay part of the union its worked for 100 s of years

[mushroom 12,387]

ANSWER THE QUESTION MORON!

 

Fuuck me you actually believe that shit you wrote? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: