Trump Under Fire

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

Putin is corrupt as they come lol

He has a personal fortune running into hundreds of millions extorted, stolen and backhanders.

Thinkd stalin was the greatest leader who ever lived. Abramovich gifted him a luxury yacht bigger than his own. Prob in payment of not getting a cup of plutonium tea!

Head of KGB in liepzig who's whole purpose was to undermine the west and in all probility killed or had killed british and american agents in his career. Well he must be dancing a jig with the orange potus in the whitehouse.

mind boggling that some people in the west condemn there own goverments for being corrupt and hiding facts from the people and then hold putin up on a pedestal of the beacon of truth LOL

It's all just fake news mate, lies lies lies!!! You've been brainwashed obviously....

No no....show me the proof and I will read it...if it's just BBC said so then I wont take it seriously....surely there must be some emails or leaked documents out there?

BBC? Give me a break Nic...haha

I'll keep the open mind Nic, you crack on with your hero worship mate....

The people who have been trying to prove for years he has killed his own, while feathering his own nest, are mostly dead! Hahaha......Proof? Haha....

You've got it bad mate & I mean that in a nice way, not trying to be a cnut ;-)

[VOON 1,313]

 

 

 

Wow Nik! You trump disciples are scarier than trump himself! Haha....

Most right minded people know clinton is crooked, but to ignore the games going on in 'the' existing administration is a bit weird, don't you think?

 

What are the games then?

 

Are we to believe this?

I've already stated on this thread that I doubt much of significance will come of the Russian investigation, but who knows? I certainly don't....

I was referring more to 'diversions',manipulation of facts......they even tried to manipulate the words coming out of Comeys mouth on twitter! Haha......& basically his 'me me me' approach to everything....

I don't need biased press to see that, I have an open mind.

Constantly pointing back at clinton is weak, Trump is the man of the hour & shouldn't be beyond question, just because Hilary is most likely corrupt.

Just shouting 'fake news' at everything, just because it doesn't suit your rhetoric, doesn't necessarily make it so......

I know you boys are fcuking DESPERATE!!! for Donnie to succeed & he may, but blind loyalty is desperate!

The mainstream media has been highly dishonest for years and on subjects nothing to do with Trump. I suppose I could start digging out the hundreds of articles NOT even related to Trump but you don't sound like someone who does have an open mind, I've already done it on this forum many times.

 

Syria, Libya and Ukraine are three examples I've used to show how dishonest they are.

 

The biggest enemy the West has right now is not Russia, it is the corrupt and dishonest governments that run it, they are not putting their people first. Trump said all the right things, I didn't even expect him to deliver on everything but people don't have a voice anymore....no matter where you live you pretty much just get the same old globalist open borders governments.

 

If they wanted to restore faith they could become MORE like Russia in the sense that they are Nationalistic, and put their own people and county first. Putin is loved by many in the West which just shows how much our governments are lacking.

But let's face it Trump ain't Lenin......he's a gimp....you might agree with policies fine.....but he's still the establishment and a nincompoop, but once he don't nuke someone I don't really give a hoot.....sure he's savage craic, but not fit to be the leader of the free world....plus I thinks the fbi will have big big fake news on him.....will be GUBU.....

[C556 351]

It's my understanding that the Democrats and their allies in the media are using allegations of collusion between the Russian government and Trumps campaign team as a stick to bash Trump. So far no evidence of any wrongdoing has surfaced, and until it does, I'll remain sceptical.

 

On the other side, Trump's team have alleged leaking against them from the intelligence services. We'll need to wait and see if anything comes from that.

[VOON 1,313]

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[Nik_B 3,790]

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/24/15039664/paul-ryan-donald-trump-ahca

 

That's the battle though isn't it. It would be like Nigel Farage joining the conservative party and becoming PM. There would be many establishment people trying to derail his success not to mention the people who work in the civil service who have a lot of power but aren't elected.

 

Contrary to what Accip says about me it's not about being a blind fanboy, it's was always about looking at the alternative to him and I was and still am 100% sure that Clinton (and the other serious GOP candidates) would have finished of nation state democracy and pushed globalisation even more, we would have had even more immigration, probably more wars and meddling in the Middle East so he was the best option....

 

I also agreed with most/all of what he said during all of his rallies (and I listened to them all unlike some people who just regurgitate the MSM headlines).

 

I think Trump is wasting political capital on the Obama Care issue, he would be best off saying it's a bad deal and dropping it entirely, then focusing on things that really got him elected. No.1 would be immigration and the wall and then coming back to that later.

[Born Hunter 17,635]

Contrary to what Accip says about me it's not about being a blind fanboy, it's was always about looking at the alternative to him and I was and still am 100% sure that Clinton (and the other serious GOP candidates) would have finished of nation state democracy and pushed globalisation even more, we would have had even more immigration, probably more wars and meddling in the Middle East so he was the best option....

 

 

Rand Paul?

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

Contrary to what Accip says about me it's not about being a blind fanboy, it's was always about looking at the alternative to him and I was and still am 100% sure that Clinton (and the other serious GOP candidates) would have finished of nation state democracy and pushed globalisation even more, we would have had even more immigration, probably more wars and meddling in the Middle East so he was the best option....

 

Rand Paul?

 

 

That's why I put the word 'serious' in there. Rand Paul was never going to be a serious contender in 2016, a couple of years ago I think he would have had a decent chance but the Left/Right divide has widened massively and centre politics plus libertarianism is pretty dead right now in my humble opinion. 5-10 years ago a Marxist like Corbyn or a Socialist like Sanders being a serious contender for leadership would have been laughable, some would say the same about Trump's populist politics as well.

 

I always liked Rand Paul and I have a lot of time for his dad's writings as well by the way, I read a lot of the articles on the Ron Paul Institute website.

 

I just don't think there is any appetite for centre politics nor philosophical political arguments like libertarianism, they want quick fix politics and seem to gravitate towards forms of socialism or nationalism

[Accip74 7,112]

 

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/24/15039664/paul-ryan-donald-trump-ahca

 

That's the battle though isn't it. It would be like Nigel Farage joining the conservative party and becoming PM. There would be many establishment people trying to derail his success not to mention the people who work in the civil service who have a lot of power but aren't elected.

 

Contrary to what Accip says about me it's not about being a blind fanboy, it's was always about looking at the alternative to him and I was and still am 100% sure that Clinton (and the other serious GOP candidates) would have finished of nation state democracy and pushed globalisation even more, we would have had even more immigration, probably more wars and meddling in the Middle East so he was the best option....

 

I also agreed with most/all of what he said during all of his rallies (and I listened to them all unlike some people who just regurgitate the MSM headlines).

 

I think Trump is wasting political capital on the Obama Care issue, he would be best off saying it's a bad deal and dropping it entirely, then focusing on things that really got him elected. No.1 would be immigration and the wall and then coming back to that later.

I might of got my appraisal of you wrong Nik, but when you come on here with 6th form style propaganda posters of Trump, while exclaiming he's 'Awsome!' When he'd, at that point, achieved fcuk all! & then going on to state "Putin is a god" What do you expect?

....& assuming everyone else is just getting their daily world briefing from the BBC, while you are getting the facts from your unbiased (???) alternative news sources.....is just plain patronising ;-)

 

Trump may prevail, but like they say......"give him enough rope.............."

[BGD 6,385]

The health care bill has been pulled. I guess the master of the deal couldn't make a deal?

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/health-care-vote-the-latest-news/

 

So let's take a moment to look at his big campaign rally promises...

 

"Lock her up!" Nope, she's a good person, Trump respects her.

 

"Drain the swamp!" Not seen any real action there.

 

"Total shutdown of immigration from Muslim countries" His second even more watered down EO is so tied up in the courts it's never going to happen.

 

"Repeal and replace Obamacare!" Not happening.

 

It's not looking good for that wall...

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/24/15039664/paul-ryan-donald-trump-ahca

 

That's the battle though isn't it. It would be like Nigel Farage joining the conservative party and becoming PM. There would be many establishment people trying to derail his success not to mention the people who work in the civil service who have a lot of power but aren't elected.

 

Contrary to what Accip says about me it's not about being a blind fanboy, it's was always about looking at the alternative to him and I was and still am 100% sure that Clinton (and the other serious GOP candidates) would have finished of nation state democracy and pushed globalisation even more, we would have had even more immigration, probably more wars and meddling in the Middle East so he was the best option....

 

I also agreed with most/all of what he said during all of his rallies (and I listened to them all unlike some people who just regurgitate the MSM headlines).

 

I think Trump is wasting political capital on the Obama Care issue, he would be best off saying it's a bad deal and dropping it entirely, then focusing on things that really got him elected. No.1 would be immigration and the wall and then coming back to that later.

I might of got my appraisal of you wrong Nik, but when you come on here with 6th form style propaganda posters of Trump, while exclaiming he's 'Awsome!' When he'd, at that point, achieved fcuk all! & then going on to state "Putin is a god" What do you expect?

....& assuming everyone else is just getting their daily world briefing from the BBC, while you are getting the facts from your unbiased (???) alternative news sources.....is just plain patronising ;-)

 

Trump may prevail, but like they say......"give him enough rope.............."

I enjoyed Nik_B's Trump posters and exorbitant support as a bit of a piss take and over the top celebration to stir up the lefties, at least that is how I interpreted his posts. I was and am happy Trump won as I did not like the alternative AT ALL but I am no fan of Trump, I believe he is a step in the right direction and his policies and promises did impress me. I hope that he does keep his promises and the world keeps moving away from lefty bleeding hearts and we might have a chance for our kids futures.

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

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That's the battle though isn't it. It would be like Nigel Farage joining the conservative party and becoming PM. There would be many establishment people trying to derail his success not to mention the people who work in the civil service who have a lot of power but aren't elected.

 

Contrary to what Accip says about me it's not about being a blind fanboy, it's was always about looking at the alternative to him and I was and still am 100% sure that Clinton (and the other serious GOP candidates) would have finished of nation state democracy and pushed globalisation even more, we would have had even more immigration, probably more wars and meddling in the Middle East so he was the best option....

 

I also agreed with most/all of what he said during all of his rallies (and I listened to them all unlike some people who just regurgitate the MSM headlines).

 

I think Trump is wasting political capital on the Obama Care issue, he would be best off saying it's a bad deal and dropping it entirely, then focusing on things that really got him elected. No.1 would be immigration and the wall and then coming back to that later.

I might of got my appraisal of you wrong Nik, but when you come on here with 6th form style propaganda posters of Trump, while exclaiming he's 'Awsome!' When he'd, at that point, achieved fcuk all! & then going on to state "Putin is a god" What do you expect?

....& assuming everyone else is just getting their daily world briefing from the BBC, while you are getting the facts from your unbiased (???) alternative news sources.....is just plain patronising ;-)

 

Trump may prevail, but like they say......"give him enough rope.............."

 

 

Yes you probably have your appraisal of me absolutely wrong, maybe you may only remember a few of my less articulated posts?

 

I like to laugh, it gets boring posting dry diatribes that most people don't care so about. While I am very interested in politics I also find/found it VERY amusing to watch the powers that be have their noses rubbed in dogsh*t. When Putin humiliated John Kerry over the Syrian chemical weapons for example or showing the BBC up to be absolute lying scumbags over Ukraine (I can probably still prove that today if the articles are still up on their website somewhere) I got a big laugh out of it.

 

I am just interested in the truth, and I found that what I was seeing (especially in video footage) was not supporting what our media was reporting, in fact it was showing the opposite and I have a big problem with that because I used to think I was well informed because I read several newspapers a day including international ones. I don't like the feeling of being hoodwinked or lied to.

 

Granted every news source on the planet has some spin and an angle but there is a big difference between spin and blatant lying. Sometimes you read things you wish were true, other times you can read things you wish aren't true but it is possible to read between the lines and get some grain of the truth. In this day and age I think you really have to do you research and not trust the MSM.

 

I spent a lot of time researching the Ukraine/Libyan and Syrian war because video footage is hard to fake especially when there was such a huge volume of footage that CONTRADICTED what the BBC and MSM was saying.

If they lie about that then what else do they lie about?

 

Why wouldn't the BBC report on Clinton's email where she admitted that ISIS was being funded by the Saudi and Qatari government? There is strong evidence that backs this up, it should be one of the biggest stories of the decade really, I even complained to the BBC and got some mealy mouthed reply from them...of course.

[Accip74 7,112]

The health care bill has been pulled. I guess the master of the deal couldn't make a deal?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/health-care-vote-the-latest-news/

So let's take a moment to look at his big campaign rally promises...

"Lock her up!" Nope, she's a good person, Trump respects her.

"Drain the swamp!" Not seen any real action there.

"Total shutdown of immigration from Muslim countries" His second even more watered down EO is so tied up in the courts it's never going to happen.

"Repeal and replace Obamacare!" Not happening.

It's not looking good for that wall...

No! The wall is well ahead of schedule, just waiting on Donald jnr & Eric to finalised deals with concrete company's along the border & then it's the green light!

Absolutely no conflict of interest though.....;-)

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

I enjoyed Nik_B's Trump posters and exorbitant support as a bit of a piss take and over the top celebration to stir up the lefties, at least that is how I interpreted his posts. I was and am happy Trump won as I did not like the alternative AT ALL but I am no fan of Trump, I believe he is a step in the right direction and his policies and promises did impress me. I hope that he does keep his promises and the world keeps moving away from lefty bleeding hearts and we might have a chance for our kids futures.

 

 

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/24/15039664/paul-ryan-donald-trump-ahca

 

That's the battle though isn't it. It would be like Nigel Farage joining the conservative party and becoming PM. There would be many establishment people trying to derail his success not to mention the people who work in the civil service who have a lot of power but aren't elected.

 

Contrary to what Accip says about me it's not about being a blind fanboy, it's was always about looking at the alternative to him and I was and still am 100% sure that Clinton (and the other serious GOP candidates) would have finished of nation state democracy and pushed globalisation even more, we would have had even more immigration, probably more wars and meddling in the Middle East so he was the best option....

 

I also agreed with most/all of what he said during all of his rallies (and I listened to them all unlike some people who just regurgitate the MSM headlines).

 

I think Trump is wasting political capital on the Obama Care issue, he would be best off saying it's a bad deal and dropping it entirely, then focusing on things that really got him elected. No.1 would be immigration and the wall and then coming back to that later.

I might of got my appraisal of you wrong Nik, but when you come on here with 6th form style propaganda posters of Trump, while exclaiming he's 'Awsome!' When he'd, at that point, achieved fcuk all! & then going on to state "Putin is a god" What do you expect?

....& assuming everyone else is just getting their daily world briefing from the BBC, while you are getting the facts from your unbiased (???) alternative news sources.....is just plain patronising ;-)

Trump may prevail, but like they say......"give him enough rope.............."

Yes you probably have your appraisal of me absolutely wrong, maybe you may only remember a few of my less articulated posts?

 

I like to laugh, it gets boring posting dry diatribes that most people don't care so about. While I am very interested in politics I also find/found it VERY amusing to watch the powers that be have their noses rubbed in dogsh*t. When Putin humiliated John Kerry over the Syrian chemical weapons for example or showing the BBC up to be absolute lying scumbags over Ukraine (I can probably still prove that today if the articles are still up on their website somewhere) I got a big laugh out of it.

 

I am just interested in the truth, and I found that what I was seeing (especially in video footage) was not supporting what our media was reporting, in fact it was showing the opposite and I have a big problem with that because I used to think I was well informed because I read several newspapers a day including international ones. I don't like the feeling of being hoodwinked or lied to.

 

Granted every news source on the planet has some spin and an angle but there is a big difference between spin and blatant lying. Sometimes you read things you wish were true, other times you can read things you wish aren't true but it is possible to read between the lines and get some grain of the truth. In this day and age I think you really have to do you research and not trust the MSM.

 

I spent a lot of time researching the Ukraine/Libyan and Syrian war because video footage is hard to fake especially when there was such a huge volume of footage that CONTRADICTED what the BBC and MSM was saying.

If they lie about that then what else do they lie about?

 

Why wouldn't the BBC report on Clinton's email where she admitted that ISIS was being funded by the Saudi and Qatari government? There is strong evidence that backs this up, it should be one of the biggest stories of the decade really, I even complained to the BBC and got some mealy mouthed reply from them...of course.

I'll never argue about the likes of the BBC are biased, but come on, Putin? He may represent something we don't have, but at what cost? Give me our corrupt governments any day over Putin, if that sounds naive, then so be it, but he has killed his own people to protect himself......no doubt! Edited March 25, 2017 by Accip74

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

 

 

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/24/15039664/paul-ryan-donald-trump-ahca

That's the battle though isn't it. It would be like Nigel Farage joining the conservative party and becoming PM. There would be many establishment people trying to derail his success not to mention the people who work in the civil service who have a lot of power but aren't elected.

 

Contrary to what Accip says about me it's not about being a blind fanboy, it's was always about looking at the alternative to him and I was and still am 100% sure that Clinton (and the other serious GOP candidates) would have finished of nation state democracy and pushed globalisation even more, we would have had even more immigration, probably more wars and meddling in the Middle East so he was the best option....

 

I also agreed with most/all of what he said during all of his rallies (and I listened to them all unlike some people who just regurgitate the MSM headlines).

 

I think Trump is wasting political capital on the Obama Care issue, he would be best off saying it's a bad deal and dropping it entirely, then focusing on things that really got him elected. No.1 would be immigration and the wall and then coming back to that later.

I might of got my appraisal of you wrong Nik, but when you come on here with 6th form style propaganda posters of Trump, while exclaiming he's 'Awsome!' When he'd, at that point, achieved fcuk all! & then going on to state "Putin is a god" What do you expect?

....& assuming everyone else is just getting their daily world briefing from the BBC, while you are getting the facts from your unbiased (???) alternative news sources.....is just plain patronising ;-)

Trump may prevail, but like they say......"give him enough rope.............."

Yes you probably have your appraisal of me absolutely wrong, maybe you may only remember a few of my less articulated posts?

 

I like to laugh, it gets boring posting dry diatribes that most people don't care so about. While I am very interested in politics I also find/found it VERY amusing to watch the powers that be have their noses rubbed in dogsh*t. When Putin humiliated John Kerry over the Syrian chemical weapons for example or showing the BBC up to be absolute lying scumbags over Ukraine (I can probably still prove that today if the articles are still up on their website somewhere) I got a big laugh out of it.

 

I am just interested in the truth, and I found that what I was seeing (especially in video footage) was not supporting what our media was reporting, in fact it was showing the opposite and I have a big problem with that because I used to think I was well informed because I read several newspapers a day including international ones. I don't like the feeling of being hoodwinked or lied to.

 

Granted every news source on the planet has some spin and an angle but there is a big difference between spin and blatant lying. Sometimes you read things you wish were true, other times you can read things you wish aren't true but it is possible to read between the lines and get some grain of the truth. In this day and age I think you really have to do you research and not trust the MSM.

 

I spent a lot of time researching the Ukraine/Libyan and Syrian war because video footage is hard to fake especially when there was such a huge volume of footage that CONTRADICTED what the BBC and MSM was saying.

If they lie about that then what else do they lie about?

 

Why wouldn't the BBC report on Clinton's email where she admitted that ISIS was being funded by the Saudi and Qatari government? There is strong evidence that backs this up, it should be one of the biggest stories of the decade really, I even complained to the BBC and got some mealy mouthed reply from them...of course.

I'll never argue that the likes of the BBC are biased, but come on, Putin? He may represent something we don't have, but at what cost? Give me our corrupt governments any day over Putin, if that sounds naive, then so be it, but he has killed his own for people to protect himself......no doubt!

 

 

If our corrupt government was as nationalistic (in the true sense) as Putin and Russia they would have my 100% support. Put Britain and British people first not the corporate elite, bankers and immigrants.

 

I have felt that our own government has not had OUR best interests at heart for many years now, one of the biggest issues for many people has been immigration and the destruction of our communities, they simply don't care about us.

 

I would sacrifice anything to keep this country the Britain I grew up in.