Trump Under Fire

[ChrisJones 7,973]

29 minutes ago, green lurchers said:

How doing mate

Great thanks, mate! Yourself?

29 minutes ago, green lurchers said:

let’s keep America great for a few more years  the commie dems will get in when all the commie  AOC leftie  soy antfa kids eventually take over then we all fkd the world over  and the USA is turned into South America lol and then the USA can become one giant cocoa field and the dems can live happy ever after  with men having implants amd women growing beards and while that’s going on the Middle East will run the White House  and Russia will collude with the  Clinton’s grandchildren  which is socially acceptable  because ilhan Omah is the president  and rashid talib is Clinton’s grancbildrens babysitter when she’s not busy firing Missiles at israel in her spare time

Looking at the current state of affairs I don't think there's too much to worry about. Don's pretty much proved that he's that he's business as usual in Washington. It's working out a lot like Brexit. Big upset at the polls but when you get into the meat and potatoes of it you realise that you've been lied to and there's no way they're scuttling the gravy train.

Interesting to see that AOC's got her feet firmly under the desk as she's firmly in favour of the House voting itself a $4500 pay raise in order to keep the dark money out of politics. To the taxpayer that translates as 'give us more money or else we can't be trusted to swindle someone else...'

What do you think about Don enacting more restrictions on the second ammendment?

He's introduced the bumpstock ban. Suspends due process with red flag laws and is now looking into a ban on supressors. That wouldn't have happened if Hillary had been elected as the Republicans would have fought tooth and nail to see that it didn't but because it's one of theirs they rolled over.

Tell me how infringing on the inalienable rights guaranteed by the constitution is making America great again?

[green lurchers 16,365]

18 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Great thanks, mate! Yourself?

Looking at the current state of affairs I don't think there's too much to worry about. Don's pretty much proved that he's that he's business as usual in Washington. It's working out a lot like Brexit. Big upset at the polls but when you get into the meat and potatoes of it you realise that you've been lied to and there's no way they're scuttling the gravy train.

Interesting to see that AOC's got her feet firmly under the desk as she's firmly in favour of the House voting itself a $4500 pay raise in order to keep the dark money out of politics. To the taxpayer that translates as 'give us more money or else we can't be trusted to swindle someone else...'

What do you think about Don enacting more restrictions on the second ammendment?

He's introduced the bumpstock ban. Suspends due process with red flag laws and is now looking into a ban on supressors. That wouldn't have happened if Hillary had been elected as the Republicans would have fought tooth and nail to see that it didn't but because it's one of theirs they rolled over.

Tell me how infringing on the inalienable rights guaranteed by the constitution is making America great again?

Fkd if I know mate but ICE is doing ok  but could do with extra funding the wall needs to be cracked on  and suppressing fentanel is a key point oh and stopping the flow of shit is a vote  winner no matter how you look at things   The dems are a danger to themselves and the rest of the world   Edited to add AOC is the  thickest cnt on the planet along with dianne  Abbott that is  and cheers bud alls good just got a minor problem over here with politicians lol 

Edited June 19, 2019 by green lurchers

[ChrisJones 7,973]

2 minutes ago, green lurchers said:

Fkd if I know mate but ICE is doing ok  and suppressing fentanel is a key point oh and stopping the flow of shit is a vote  winner no matter how you look at things   

It might be good if it was actually happening. One of Don's proudest achievements and one touted much earlier in this thread was how he'd cut border crossings down to record lows in just the first few weeks of his presidency. It was yuuuge! Now they're right back up to a level not seen for a decade and a half and spanning three presidents...

However his third attack on the bill of rights, since taking office strikes at the core document from the founding of the nation. He's enacted more gun control than the mighty Barry Obama... Taking away people's rights is tyranny just ask the EU, the place where you can get jail time for Facebook posts.

39 years of making America great again... Why's he asking for a second term to fix the issues he promised he'd fix in his first?

[Francie 6,362]

13 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

It might be good if it was actually happening. One of Don's proudest achievements and one touted much earlier in this thread was how he'd cut border crossings down to record lows in just the first few weeks of his presidency. It was yuuuge! Now they're right back up to a level not seen for a decade and a half and spanning three presidents...

However his third attack on the bill of rights, since taking office strikes at the core document from the founding of the nation. He's enacted more gun control than the mighty Barry Obama... Taking away people's rights is tyranny just ask the EU, the place where you can get jail time for Facebook posts.

39 years of making America great again... Why's he asking for a second term to fix the issues he promised he'd fix in his first?

Could you be more specific Chris in what trump is doing? 2nd amendmant

 

Gl a private company funded by the American people has completed a section of the wall at a bad point for crossovers.

Funnily enough the us army core of engineers said this wall couldn't be built at this section, but the private company has it up in under two weeks.

[green lurchers 16,365]

51 minutes ago, Francie said:

Could you be more specific Chris in what trump is doing? 2nd amendmant

 

Gl a private company funded by the American people has completed a section of the wall at a bad point for crossovers.

Funnily enough the us army core of engineers said this wall couldn't be built at this section, but the private company has it up in under two weeks.

Must be dire for folk living on the border,  

[delswal 3,817]

Never mind Trump under fire, the way things are looking the Iranians had better batten down the hatches if they think they can shoot American drones down without reprisals. I wonder what reprisals will be heading their way.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

5 hours ago, Francie said:

Could you be more specific Chris in what trump is doing? 2nd amendmant

We were promised the Hearing Protection Act which removes the $200 tax stamp for supressors and removes them from the NFA. We were also promised concealed carry reciprocity at the federal level which would validate those of us who have concealed carry permits to carry in any state in the union. Since the election we've seen a 180 shift on his stance...

• Don now supports so called Red Flag laws that allow people suspected of being a threat to have their porperty confiscated by state and federal law enforcement bodies. This is an attack on the 2A and violates the 5A and 14A also.
• Don has successfully banned bumpstocks. They are now illegal to own or possess.
• After a recent shooting at a government building Don has now turned his attention towards supressors. Instead of removing them from the NFA he wishes to ban them entirely. European shooters must see the futility in that even if they don't believe in the core of the 2A.
• Don has expressed a desire to complete the Feinstein proposed action to raise the age of purchase for rifles from 18-21 effectively banning under 21's from owning and possessing such. Violates the 2A.

I extend the question to you as well as GL. Despite the Trump love shown on THL do you think it's okay to attack constitutional rights afforded to Americans?

5 hours ago, Francie said:

Gl a private company funded by the American people has completed a section of the wall at a bad point for crossovers. 

Funnily enough the us army core of engineers said this wall couldn't be built at this section, but the private company has it up in under two weeks. 

Is this the same company that has built less than half a mile of wall on private property and is now under a cease and desist due to them not obtaining planning permission? While I honestly couldn't care what citizens do on their own property this is hardly the security victory that it's being touted as. If we're talking about the same project, that is?

[ChrisJones 7,973]

4 hours ago, green lurchers said:

Must be dire for folk living on the border,  

Depends who you ask. Everyone wants border security. Not everyone wants a wall.

2 hours ago, delswal said:

Never mind Trump under fire, the way things are looking the Iranians had better batten down the hatches if they think they can shoot American drones down without reprisals. I wonder what reprisals will be heading their way.

Funny how Don has gone from withdrawing troops from the middle east to threatening Iran with reprisals. A complete 180 on the rhetoric that saw the resignation of Jim Mattis.

It's almost like he hired a neo-con as a national security advisor... Like the guy that helped goad another president into a conflict that's spanned nearly two decades.

[Francie 6,362]

17 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

Depends who you ask. Everyone wants border security. Not everyone wants a wall.

Funny how Don has gone from withdrawing troops from the middle east to threatening Iran with reprisals. A complete 180 on the rhetoric that saw the resignation of Jim Mattis.

It's almost like he hired a neo-con as a national security advisor... Like the guy that helped goad another president into a conflict that's spanned nearly two decades.

Thank you Chris, are these 2amendmnets coming directly from don, or is it  a section of government?

Yeah the wall is 1.5 mile long an it's built an all no coming down, an they have another few sites on the go 

Could you explain why you think a wall is a bad idea?

I just can't see the problem with it, you know yourself you can apply legally to enter us, so what's the problem with the wall bud?

[green lurchers 16,365]

18 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

Depends who you ask. Everyone wants border security. Not everyone wants a wall.

Funny how Don has gone from withdrawing troops from the middle east to threatening Iran with reprisals. A complete 180 on the rhetoric that saw the resignation of Jim Mattis.

It's almost like he hired a neo-con as a national security advisor... Like the guy that helped goad another president into a conflict that's spanned nearly two decades.

Yepdepends who you ask if you ask a dem living in LA or New York  its a racist wall if you ask a family that’s had there kids die from meth Fentanal cocaine or have family slayed by South American gangs then sort of guess its time for the infestation to be halted  and a wall put up or   Do them dems realy want the USA to become South America

Edited June 21, 2019 by green lurchers

[Francie 6,362]

3 hours ago, green lurchers said:

Yepdepends who you ask if you ask a dem living in LA or New York  its a racist wall if you ask a family that’s had there kids die from meth Fentanal cocaine or have family slayed by South American gangs then sort of guess its time for the infestation to be halted  and a wall put up or   Do them dems realy want the USA to become South America

Well said gl, no one I have asked yet has given me a plyable or decent answer regarding the wall, as to why its a bad idea.

Not one, an im still wondering.

These Dems/lefty's/nutcases are the only folk that's complaining, there f***ing globalists nutcases that's why.

Socialism won't an can't work unless it's a global all in one utopia.

How the feck can a country be safe if it can't protect its borders?

[ChrisJones 7,973]

4 hours ago, Francie said:

Thank you Chris, are these 2amendmnets coming directly from don, or is it  a section of government?

The 2nd Amendment was ratified in 1791 with the rest of the bill of rights. It doesn't grant rights as rights are inalienable it simply guarantees those rights are to be respected in the union. Don is president and is a section of government. He's the head of the executive branch which makes him head of state and commander in chief of the military. Don has championed these changes in the law which directly violate the 2nd, 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution respectively. The 2A is the right to bear arms. The 5A and 14A outline the right to due process of law.

Don is not a supreme leader. He cannot wave his magic wand and instill rules and regulations without them first going through the system of checks and balances but he's been able to pass the restrictions I've listed above and is working on the ones I've also listed. This is easily quantified on YouTube if you're inclined to look further into it.

4 hours ago, Francie said:

Yeah the wall is 1.5 mile long an it's built an all no coming down, an they have another few sites on the go 

I've read less than half a mile but either way what private citizens do on private land with private money is no concern of mine.

4 hours ago, Francie said:

Could you explain why you think a wall is a bad idea?

As simply as I can put it why should I be coerced to paying thousands in extra taxes to fund a government project that will waste that money and demonstratably won't work? Show me a government contract that hasn't squandered tax payers money, gone overbudget, and solved the crisis it was set up for.

The UK and Ireland is surrounded by a maritime border that is 22 miles wide at it's shortest point. You have arguabley the biggest natural barrier against immigration outside of Australia. It was installed for free and with tectonic movement is actually getting larger every year as it moves away from continental Europe. How has that barrier stopped/controlled immigration into the United Kingdom?

A fraction of the construction costs could be given the Border Patrol to boost their resources and used where they need it and where they want it. Who knows best where to spend the money? Boots on the ground border agents in Texas, Arizona, and California? Or Washington politicians?

5 hours ago, Francie said:

I just can't see the problem with it, you know yourself you can apply legally to enter us, so what's the problem with the wall bud?

When you look at central and south America look at the root causes of migration and asylum seeking. It's the same as Europe and it's no coincidence that the nationalities of refugees and asylum seekers correlate with the nations that are being bombed flat. Look at the warmongering going on in the middle east and sabre rattling going on with Iran. Do you think a war with the Iranians will see more or less Iranians fleeing to other countries in response?

[ChrisJones 7,973]

4 hours ago, green lurchers said:

Yepdepends who you ask if you ask a dem living in LA or New York  its a racist wall if you ask a family that’s had there kids die from meth Fentanal cocaine or have family slayed by South American gangs then sort of guess its time for the infestation to be halted  and a wall put up or   Do them dems realy want the USA to become South America

How about asking the people that actually live on the border? Work on the border? And regularly legally cross the border for commerce? You'll find that it's not the hell hole you're making it out to be. If you want to bring in gang violence the US has plenty of homegrown problems that aren't being tackled at all and once more the miopic attention given to immigration is massively costly and does not address a massive chunk of the issues at hand. A wall is purely symbolic and takes away resources from the agencies that actually need it to combat the all the problems you've listed both real and imagined.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

9 minutes ago, Francie said:

Well said gl, no one I have asked yet has given me a plyable or decent answer regarding the wall, as to why its a bad idea.

Not one, an im still wondering.

These Dems/lefty's/nutcases are the only folk that's complaining, there f***ing globalists nutcases that's why.

Socialism won't an can't work unless it's a global all in one utopia.

How the feck can a country be safe if it can't protect its borders?

That's a little disingenuous, mate. Sure you can disagree with the reasons but those reasons are valid concerns with those of us that will actually have to cough up the money for this vanity project when it could be spent better elsewhere. I don't trust government and I'll be damned if I'm going to make it bigger because someone thinks throwing billions into concrete is going to fix a multi-facetted issue that's been centuries in the making.

[green lurchers 16,365]

14 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

How about asking the people that actually live on the border? Work on the border? And regularly legally cross the border for commerce? You'll find that it's not the hell hole you're making it out to be. If you want to bring in gang violence the US has plenty of homegrown problems that aren't being tackled at all and once more the miopic attention given to immigration is massively costly and does not address a massive chunk of the issues at hand. A wall is purely symbolic and takes away resources from the agencies that actually need it to combat the all the problems you've listed both real and imagined.

It works in Israel 99% stop if your next door is bringing shit filth scum and harm to ya door then build wall  like the Israelies to stop the flow pretty simple if you ask me  black n white  can’t see the base of an arguement ahhh but that’s wat liberal dems do argue and stuff they need to grow up the commie living news bias cnts oh and go and work and remember the USA was built.  on Christian values not che gavara or Castro or cal Marx the fk heds

Edited June 21, 2019 by green lurchers