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Thing is ,the reason you would keep a bull cross isn't for "all round" lurcher work.

What ever that means is different to different lads.

But for what they are bred for MOST other crosses would not stand a chance ,yes we have all seen the odd collie cross or what ever do this or do that but they are the exception rather than the rule . So those who want that type ,will continue to have their bull crosses regardless of whether they get a thumbs up off a few lads that dislike them on here

 

That's the point I'm making roybo. They are never going to be a general allrounder type, but when you get, and you do, people saying 'my bull x catches r h f d, pre ban, well, was it actually a proper bull x? I don't think so.

And as for thumbs up or likes, I really couldn't give a flying f**k who likes or dislikes what I have to say about bull crosses, honestly. And I've seen ALOT more than the odd collie cross taking foxes, very regularly, and taking rabbits and hares on the same night, and deer, which a bull x wouldn't have the speed to get up to, which didn't bounce back off a fence into the dog.

I agree they do have a place , but it isn't as a general lurcher which can/could take all quarry.

my main point being in ANY cross their will be limitations you just have to tip the limitations in your favour and work them accordingly, I certainly wouldn't be blinkered and discount a dog because of what was in his make up .

Work what suits what you do it's that simple.

I'd gamble a racy bull cross would be quicker than a heavy collie cross but people want to keep both and are happy with what they have.

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About 6 weeks ago in summer relaxing condition lol.  

The mother to my old bitch,would certainly catch without bouncing off a fence The sire to mine was no slouch as a 1/2 cross

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As you say you will know the "odd" collie that will do a bull crosses job and there IS bull crosses that can catch all the game you said ,maybe with the exception of hares regularly.although on the lamp anything is possible,and regards to the speed there are bull crosses that are racy and quick enough to catch most ,they don't have to be heavy.

For the record my older bitch has caught all you said and there is only bull and greyhound in her history ,does that mean she's not a "proper" bull cross

This could go on and on lol. I don't mean the 'odd collie x' doing a bull x's job, I never said that. And there certainly WON'T be a bull/grey catching hares or most deer in this country that hasen't rebounded off a fence etc, even on the lamp. Seen plenty of collie crosses, I/2 X, but mostly 3/4 breds taking fox very regularly, as well as other quarry, and on the same night. But I do agree with you to a certain point, there obviously are some racily built 1/2 bull x's about, but they still aren't going to be fast enough to catch as much as most other types, especially some of the heavier types of bull x's. Big difference to a lurcher with an 1/8th bull as well as a drop of other blood and grey, to a 1st x bull grey.

Anyway, how is your bitch bred, 5/8 grey 3/8 bull?

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As you say you will know the "odd" collie that will do a bull crosses job and there IS bull crosses that can catch all the game you said ,maybe with the exception of hares regularly.although on the lamp anything is possible,and regards to the speed there are bull crosses that are racy and quick enough to catch most ,they don't have to be heavy.

For the record my older bitch has caught all you said and there is only bull and greyhound in her history ,does that mean she's not a "proper" bull cross

This could go on and on lol. I don't mean the 'odd collie x' doing a bull x's job, I never said that. And there certainly WON'T be a bull/grey catching hares or most deer in this country that hasen't rebounded off a fence etc, even on the lamp. Seen plenty of collie crosses, I/2 X, but mostly 3/4 breds taking fox very regularly, as well as other quarry, and on the same night. But I do agree with you to a certain point, there obviously are some racily built 1/2 bull x's about, but they still aren't going to be fast enough to catch as much as most other types, especially some of the heavier types of bull x's. Big difference to a lurcher with an 1/8th bull as well as a drop of other blood and grey, to a 1st x bull grey.

Anyway, how is your bitch bred, 5/8 grey 3/8 bull?

Shark I agree with most of what you say but if you don't think there are bull crosses out there that could catch hare and deer preban then you ain't seen a good one mate.

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As you say you will know the "odd" collie that will do a bull crosses job and there IS bull crosses that can catch all the game you said ,maybe with the exception of hares regularly.although on the lamp anything is possible,and regards to the speed there are bull crosses that are racy and quick enough to catch most ,they don't have to be heavy.

For the record my older bitch has caught all you said and there is only bull and greyhound in her history ,does that mean she's not a "proper" bull cross

This could go on and on lol. I don't mean the 'odd collie x' doing a bull x's job, I never said that. And there certainly WON'T be a bull/grey catching hares or most deer in this country that hasen't rebounded off a fence etc, even on the lamp. Seen plenty of collie crosses, I/2 X, but mostly 3/4 breds taking fox very regularly, as well as other quarry, and on the same night. But I do agree with you to a certain point, there obviously are some racily built 1/2 bull x's about, but they still aren't going to be fast enough to catch as much as most other types, especially some of the heavier types of bull x's. Big difference to a lurcher with an 1/8th bull as well as a drop of other blood and grey, to a 1st x bull grey.

Anyway, how is your bitch bred, 5/8 grey 3/8 bull?

Shark I agree with most of what you say but if you don't think there are bull crosses out there that could catch hare and deer preban then you ain't seen a good one mate.

If I breed a dog that's 1/8 bull and 1/7 grey it's still a bull X. But I'd reckon that would have the speed to catch everything on this island.

 

Many years ago I saw a first cross bull/grey catch everything you have described.

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Haha your jist pised off that you need a bullx to feel hard haha fook sake most lurchers can do there job lol most bullx are shown pony's haha

I don't have to feel hard horses for courses and each breed of lurcher has its own job to do so stop spoiling threads by chatting crap

Why you getting all defensive? Yours must be fatter than ypur usual shit bullx haha you aint even put a put a pic up yet you all bothered lol go on show us yours haha

like I said, most if not nearly all bullx are shittier than shit itself

 

do you go on every thread just to chat shit you sound like a little kid in a mans world now go away and watch cbbies

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Haha your jist pised off that you need a bullx to feel hard haha fook sake most lurchers can do there job lol most bullx are shown pony's haha

 

I don't have to feel hard horses for courses and each breed of lurcher has its own job to do so stop spoiling threads by chatting crap
Why you getting all defensive? Yours must be fatter than ypur usual shit bullx haha you aint even put a put a pic up yet you all bothered lol go on show us yours haha

like I said, most if not nearly all bullx are shittier than shit itself

do you go on every thread just to chat shit you sound like a little kid in a mans world now go away and watch cbbies
Haha thats 2 bites on 2 separate threads lol an you wasn't even involved haha did you stub your toe getting out of bed? Did your mum or your wife catch you choking the chicken? Just do yourselfna favour and kick the dog and say woosah and you will feel better. life ain't nice with pent up aggression like yours haha Edited by W. Katchum
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As you say you will know the "odd" collie that will do a bull crosses job and there IS bull crosses that can catch all the game you said ,maybe with the exception of hares regularly.although on the lamp anything is possible,and regards to the speed there are bull crosses that are racy and quick enough to catch most ,they don't have to be heavy.

For the record my older bitch has caught all you said and there is only bull and greyhound in her history ,does that mean she's not a "proper" bull cross

This could go on and on lol. I don't mean the 'odd collie x' doing a bull x's job, I never said that. And there certainly WON'T be a bull/grey catching hares or most deer in this country that hasen't rebounded off a fence etc, even on the lamp. Seen plenty of collie crosses, I/2 X, but mostly 3/4 breds taking fox very regularly, as well as other quarry, and on the same night. But I do agree with you to a certain point, there obviously are some racily built 1/2 bull x's about, but they still aren't going to be fast enough to catch as much as most other types, especially some of the heavier types of bull x's. Big difference to a lurcher with an 1/8th bull as well as a drop of other blood and grey, to a 1st x bull grey.

Anyway, how is your bitch bred, 5/8 grey 3/8 bull?

Shark I agree with most of what you say but if you don't think there are bull crosses out there that could catch hare and deer preban then you ain't seen a good one mate.

 

You're correct gaz, I've NEVER seen a good 1st x bull grey, and that's what I've been trying to say lol. But I do like bull type dogs, apart from english bull terriers lol. Never mind, life's too short. And anyway, it's only peoples likes and preferences at the end of the day.

Right, I'm off to walk me canary :thumbs:

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As you say you will know the "odd" collie that will do a bull crosses job and there IS bull crosses that can catch all the game you said ,maybe with the exception of hares regularly.although on the lamp anything is possible,and regards to the speed there are bull crosses that are racy and quick enough to catch most ,they don't have to be heavy.

For the record my older bitch has caught all you said and there is only bull and greyhound in her history ,does that mean she's not a "proper" bull cross

This could go on and on lol. I don't mean the 'odd collie x' doing a bull x's job, I never said that. And there certainly WON'T be a bull/grey catching hares or most deer in this country that hasen't rebounded off a fence etc, even on the lamp. Seen plenty of collie crosses, I/2 X, but mostly 3/4 breds taking fox very regularly, as well as other quarry, and on the same night. But I do agree with you to a certain point, there obviously are some racily built 1/2 bull x's about, but they still aren't going to be fast enough to catch as much as most other types, especially some of the heavier types of bull x's. Big difference to a lurcher with an 1/8th bull as well as a drop of other blood and grey, to a 1st x bull grey.

Anyway, how is your bitch bred, 5/8 grey 3/8 bull?

Shark I agree with most of what you say but if you don't think there are bull crosses out there that could catch hare and deer preban then you ain't seen a good one mate.

You're correct gaz, I've NEVER seen a good 1st x bull grey, and that's what I've been trying to say lol. But I do like bull type dogs, apart from english bull terriers lol. Never mind, life's too short. And anyway, it's only peoples likes and preferences at the end of the day.

Right, I'm off to walk me canary :thumbs:

Didn't realise we were taking first crosses shark. Thought it was just about bull cross in general. 3/4 grey. 5/8 grey. Etc. Although there are 100% half crosses out there doing all the above.

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As you say you will know the "odd" collie that will do a bull crosses job and there IS bull crosses that can catch all the game you said ,maybe with the exception of hares regularly.although on the lamp anything is possible,and regards to the speed there are bull crosses that are racy and quick enough to catch most ,they don't have to be heavy.

For the record my older bitch has caught all you said and there is only bull and greyhound in her history ,does that mean she's not a "proper" bull cross

 

This could go on and on lol. I don't mean the 'odd collie x' doing a bull x's job, I never said that. And there certainly WON'T be a bull/grey catching hares or most deer in this country that hasen't rebounded off a fence etc, even on the lamp. Seen plenty of collie crosses, I/2 X, but mostly 3/4 breds taking fox very regularly, as well as other quarry, and on the same night. But I do agree with you to a certain point, there obviously are some racily built 1/2 bull x's about, but they still aren't going to be fast enough to catch as much as most other types, especially some of the heavier types of bull x's. Big difference to a lurcher with an 1/8th bull as well as a drop of other blood and grey, to a 1st x bull grey.

Anyway, how is your bitch bred, 5/8 grey 3/8 bull?

 

As you say you will know the "odd" collie that will do a bull crosses job and there IS bull crosses that can catch all the game you said ,maybe with the exception of hares regularly.although on the lamp anything is possible,and regards to the speed there are bull crosses that are racy and quick enough to catch most ,they don't have to be heavy.

For the record my older bitch has caught all you said and there is only bull and greyhound in her history ,does that mean she's not a "proper" bull cross

 

This could go on and on lol. I don't mean the 'odd collie x' doing a bull x's job, I never said that. And there certainly WON'T be a bull/grey catching hares or most deer in this country that hasen't rebounded off a fence etc, even on the lamp. Seen plenty of collie crosses, I/2 X, but mostly 3/4 breds taking fox very regularly, as well as other quarry, and on the same night. But I do agree with you to a certain point, there obviously are some racily built 1/2 bull x's about, but they still aren't going to be fast enough to catch as much as most other types, especially some of the heavier types of bull x's. Big difference to a lurcher with an 1/8th bull as well as a drop of other blood and grey, to a 1st x bull grey.

Anyway, how is your bitch bred, 5/8 grey 3/8 bull?

yes she's 3/8 bull 5/8 grey and she caught hare and Deer without bouncing off the fence,and no one mentioned only 1/2 crosses the subject was bull crosses.

There is also a difference in doing a fox a week ,to doing a bull cross job regularly and as I said earlier I do think there are dog off all crosses that are limited especially if you are talking 1/2 crosses

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People slag bullx of all coz they got shit lurchers and every 1 who got a bullx shows them.up

that's a very bold statement to make pal.most look the part but are found lacking when It comes down to proper work-I've not seen one that I would want or feed for probably a good 10 yr or more.obviously there's lads that have the real deal but I don't know them and I don't think they come on here wanting smoke blown up their bums.that dog in the b&w pic looks like its done abit the others look like show ponies lol,dotty was right.atb dc
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