Labour Leadership Election

[johnny boy68 11,725]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Further behind the Torys than when Foot was leader in 83, you was only 2 weeks ago how he was doing so well in the polls or do they only matter when your trying to bolster his position?

Polls are part of the picture no doubt but the numbers are no worse than I'd expect considering we're in the middle of probably the most bitter and public battle the party has ever seen and the Tories have just had a nice smooth hand over to a relatively popular new leader. The fact he was doing relatively well in the polls all things considered before all this shit shows the current drop is the fault of the plotters.

What's silly is using polls 4 years out from an election to try and predict the result

 

If the PLP would unite behind him Labour would have as a good a chance as they could hope for of winning the next GE the problem is they're not interested in winning on a true leftist platform and they're scared of the reforms he wants to bring in to make the party more democratic and the MPs more accountable.

The PLP won't support him as they're are career politicians that crave power, they know as long as Corbyn is leader they have 0 chance of attaining that power so they want shut.

See you're half right there but their fear isn't that they can't win elections under Corbyn it's the fact that he wants to reform the party making it harder for careerist MPs that don't serve their constituents to keep their jobs. They've said repeatedly they would rather lose under a Blairite platform than win under Corbyn.

 

This battle really isn't about "electability" on either side, what it comes down to is a power struggle for the future of the party with self-serving careerists on one side and principled democrats on the other.

Yes but, don't you think that many people realise that there is absolutely no way that Corbyn would ever win a GE. Ever. And that is the reason they want him removed?

No one in the PLP polls that much better than Corbyn. Labour's electability issues predate Corbyn by a long time and won't be improved by any other leadership contender that's been floated so far according to the polls.

In your own words "polls 4 years from a general election don't mean much".......cmon mate in one breath you're rubbishing polls then in the next using his strength in the polls as a point of your argument.

Would rather lose an election with than blairites than win without???

Don't people vote to try and get there party elected, sounds like he's more concerned with shafting the blairites than actually being elected. Why doesn't he start his own independent Labour Party if he doesn't want to work with them?

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

 

Honestly all the talk of electability with the GE 4 years away is just a distraction from one the main points of Corbyn's leadership, reforming the internal party structures and giving more power to the members. Something that absolutely terrifies the out of touch careerists and the establishment as a whole.

 

It looks like Labour are headed for a long stint in opposition regardless of who's leading the party so might aswell make good use of the time and get rid of the neoliberal Blairite cancer while we've got the chance. Doing the whole country a service IMO

You certainly are loyal to Corbyn ha ha . But, do you not think the real leftist side of politics is now out of fashion and dated. The world has moved on and now we are faced with important issues such as people coming over here and trying to kill us, the massive benefit cost and uncontrolled immigration. The working man has been shafted by labour and can we really say that Corbyn is for the real grass-roots working man?

I'm honestly not that loyal to Corbyn, there's others I'd rather see leading the party but he's our best shot at getting the badly needed reforms made so he's got my backing for now.

 

I'd say the 300,000 people joining the party and the huge support he gets when he's travelling the country shows there's at least some appetite for his policies. I can't think of another politician who currently enjoys the level of grassroots support that Corbyn does, only Farage would come close but I don't see hundreds of thousands of people joining UKIP. I mean who else in politics these days could raise £4 million in 48 hours or mobilise thousands of supporters onto the street at a moments notice like we saw during the first days of coup attempt?

 

OK...let's take this a bit further, what policies does Corbyn have that is for the working man in the UK?..... as in, how do you think his leadership of the Labour party and his views is PRO the working man?

[BGD 6,385]

No they want rid as he's unelectable, they'd get behind polpot if they thought they'd realise their ambitions of power, why can't all of you and your hangers on do the right thing and ALL leave the labour party/movement to who it rightfully belongs ie the working class men and women and maybe then labour would have a chance of re-election. Look here now, weve got Corbyn whose never done a days work in his life, Diane abbot I'll say no more on her , Emily thornberry who thinks white working class are scum as her tweets prove and the likes of you, a career pothead who lives in his basement growing pot, so a choice of this shower of shite or a load of capitalist socialists. when a party like ukip, that's dripping with Toryism can do so well in labour areas it tells you how far labour has sank and no amount of polls or guardian articles can argue against that

I shouldn't even dignify this pathetic drivel with a response but I can't pass up the opportunity to laugh my fecking arse off at the idea of the Guardian being some kind of Corbyn supporting mouthpiece :laugh: :laugh: all the major papers are against Corbyn and the Guardian has been particularly hostile towards him recently.

[tatsblisters 7,935]

 

 

 

Honestly all the talk of electability with the GE 4 years away is just a distraction from one the main points of Corbyn's leadership, reforming the internal party structures and giving more power to the members. Something that absolutely terrifies the out of touch careerists and the establishment as a whole.

 

It looks like Labour are headed for a long stint in opposition regardless of who's leading the party so might aswell make good use of the time and get rid of the neoliberal Blairite cancer while we've got the chance. Doing the whole country a service IMO

You certainly are loyal to Corbyn ha ha . But, do you not think the real leftist side of politics is now out of fashion and dated. The world has moved on and now we are faced with important issues such as people coming over here and trying to kill us, the massive benefit cost and uncontrolled immigration. The working man has been shafted by labour and can we really say that Corbyn is for the real grass-roots working man?

I'm honestly not that loyal to Corbyn, there's others I'd rather see leading the party but he's our best shot at getting the badly needed reforms made so he's got my backing for now.

 

I'd say the 300,000 people joining the party and the huge support he gets when he's travelling the country shows there's at least some appetite for his policies. I can't think of another politician who currently enjoys the level of grassroots support that Corbyn does, only Farage would come close but I don't see hundreds of thousands of people joining UKIP. I mean who else in politics these days could raise £4 million in 48 hours or mobilise thousands of supporters onto the street at a moments notice like we saw during the first days of coup attempt?

 

OK...let's take this a bit further, what policies does Corbyn have that is for the working man in the UK?..... as in, how do you think his leadership of the Labour party and his views is PRO the working man?

 

IMO in a nutt shell f@ck all.

[BGD 6,385]

 

 

 

 

Honestly all the talk of electability with the GE 4 years away is just a distraction from one the main points of Corbyn's leadership, reforming the internal party structures and giving more power to the members. Something that absolutely terrifies the out of touch careerists and the establishment as a whole.

 

It looks like Labour are headed for a long stint in opposition regardless of who's leading the party so might aswell make good use of the time and get rid of the neoliberal Blairite cancer while we've got the chance. Doing the whole country a service IMO

You certainly are loyal to Corbyn ha ha . But, do you not think the real leftist side of politics is now out of fashion and dated. The world has moved on and now we are faced with important issues such as people coming over here and trying to kill us, the massive benefit cost and uncontrolled immigration. The working man has been shafted by labour and can we really say that Corbyn is for the real grass-roots working man?

I'm honestly not that loyal to Corbyn, there's others I'd rather see leading the party but he's our best shot at getting the badly needed reforms made so he's got my backing for now.

 

I'd say the 300,000 people joining the party and the huge support he gets when he's travelling the country shows there's at least some appetite for his policies. I can't think of another politician who currently enjoys the level of grassroots support that Corbyn does, only Farage would come close but I don't see hundreds of thousands of people joining UKIP. I mean who else in politics these days could raise £4 million in 48 hours or mobilise thousands of supporters onto the street at a moments notice like we saw during the first days of coup attempt?

OK...let's take this a bit further, what policies does Corbyn have that is for the working man in the UK?..... as in, how do you think his leadership of the Labour party and his views is PRO the working man?

Their infrastructure investment schemes, commitments to protecting and strengthening workers rights, introducing a real living wage, actually building some fecking houses so folk can get out of the private rental sector (and feck me over ), protecting what remains of our heavy industry I mean I could go on but you get the idea, if you're really interested in going in depth on their economic policy I can give you some resources but fecked if I'm going into the complexities of it all on THL at 10.30 in the morning

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

How many working class lads are on here? And out of all of us practically the only person who openly supports them/Corbyn is you a jobless pothead. That's all you need to know about the labour movement

[BGD 6,385]

Pretty much every single poster on here voted UKIP in the last election yet they only got 3,881,129 votes. The political views of the majority on here are in the minority when it comes to the general public, it's not a representative sample of any demographic other than hunters.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

Well then take my workplace 12 working lads 6 ex miners 0 votes for labour as I've said before when ex-miners don't vote labour they're screwed, bitten the hands that feed them once to many

[marshman 7,756]

It's true labour lost a lot of old school voters my mates dad was a union man in the car industry in the midlands a full member of the communist party ..and he always voted labour back in the day but not no more he reckons they don't stand for the working man anymore .

[BGD 6,385]

Well then take my workplace 12 working lads 6 ex miners 0 votes for labour as I've said before when ex-miners don't vote labour they're screwed, bitten the hands that feed them once to many

And I was in a room the other week with 100s of ex-miners all singing Corbyn's praises. It was only a few weeks ago he was greeted like a hero at the Durham Miners Gala. I'm sure we could trade anecdotes like that all day but they're pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

 

He has support among traditional working class Labour voters but there's plenty that have been seriously turned off Labour since the Blair years and it's going to be no easy job winning them back. I don't even really see Corbyn as the man to do it TBH he's just the man to lay the ground work for it to be possible.

Edited July 27, 2016 by BGD

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

Aye dream on, we,ll see.

[WILF 44,276]

The fact of the matter is, to your ordinary Joe Soap it don't really matter who wins.......what matters most IMHO is that both parties get enough MPs to be an effective foil to whoever has enough to form the government.

Then hopefully policy ends up in about the right place.

 

That's democracy in action.

 

We have seen the damage that politicians with massive majorities (Blair !!) or even not really elected at all (Europe) can do.......over 3000 new laws under Blair and countless rules and regulations under the EU, you need a polar opposite opposition to clip the wings of government.

It's no fecking good if they are all working to the same agenda, that's what has got us in this shit in the first place.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

And there's no point having the right people at the top if they can't get enough of a majority to do what's needed, we need a landslide ukip or similar sadly that's never going to happen so we will stay as we are, for now at least.

[WILF 44,276]

If UKIP had 300 Nigel Farages I would wholeheartedly agree JDHunting, however when they started employing ex career political types is when that went out the window.......they are responsible for this fecking mess and there is no reason to think they will be different just because they put in a different hat mate.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

If UKIP had 300 Nigel Farages I would wholeheartedly agree JDHunting, however when they started employing ex career political types is when that went out the window.......they are responsible for this fecking mess and there is no reason to think they will be different just because they put in a different hat mate.

I agree totally but any political party that enjoys any success will quickly be infiltrated by people out for themselves which is what's got us were we are.