Labour Leadership Election

[WILF 44,299]

I'd like to personally thank Corbyn for officially turning his party into an also-ran party.

 

Cheers Jeremy, you scruffy bellend.

In all fairness, at least you know what you are getting and if he can rid his party of the Blair cancer then that's a very good thing for everyone.

We have been fed the John Major/Tony Blair type of politics for over 25 years and it has damaged the country very badly, it wont get put right in 2 minutes IMHO mate.

I have no place in my heart for a Corbyn type country BUT he is saying something different to the usual same old red/blue/yellow trash.

Edited July 27, 2016 by WILF

[BGD 6,385]

Further behind the Torys than when Foot was leader in 83, you was only 2 weeks ago how he was doing so well in the polls or do they only matter when your trying to bolster his position?

Polls are part of the picture no doubt but the numbers are no worse than I'd expect considering we're in the middle of probably the most bitter and public battle the party has ever seen and the Tories have just had a nice smooth hand over to a relatively popular new leader. The fact he was doing relatively well in the polls all things considered before all this shit shows the current drop is the fault of the plotters.

What's silly is using polls 4 years out from an election to try and predict the result

 

If the PLP would unite behind him Labour would have as a good a chance as they could hope for of winning the next GE the problem is they're not interested in winning on a true leftist platform and they're scared of the reforms he wants to bring in to make the party more democratic and the MPs more accountable.

Edited July 27, 2016 by BGD

[walshie 2,804]

Polls have been worthless of late as they showed in the GE and the referendum. I think if anything JC is probably further behind than the polls suggest. Whatever his ideology is, it suits me that labour probably won't even be the opposition after the next GE.

[green lurchers 16,369]

ukip is the 2nd place party local to me

[BGD 6,385]

Polls have been worthless of late as they showed in the GE and the referendum. I think if anything JC is probably further behind than the polls suggest. Whatever his ideology is, it suits me that labour probably won't even be the opposition after the next GE.

 

The worst predictions only show Labour losing around 60 seats, the one prediction you can make with almost 100% certainty is that Labour will be the official opposition if they don't win the next GE.

 

Even if there was a split (which is looking more and more unlikely) and they managed to do well enough to become the official oppostion the new party would have all the policies you hate most about Labour but according you and the press they'd be way more electable than Labour under Corbyn so surely a bad thing from your point of view?

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

 

Further behind the Torys than when Foot was leader in 83, you was only 2 weeks ago how he was doing so well in the polls or do they only matter when your trying to bolster his position?

Polls are part of the picture no doubt but the numbers are no worse than I'd expect considering we're in the middle of probably the most bitter and public battle the party has ever seen and the Tories have just had a nice smooth hand over to a relatively popular new leader. The fact he was doing relatively well in the polls all things considered before all this shit shows the current drop is the fault of the plotters.

What's silly is using polls 4 years out from an election to try and predict the result

 

If the PLP would unite behind him Labour would have as a good a chance as they could hope for of winning the next GE the problem is they're not interested in winning on a true leftist platform and they're scared of the reforms he wants to bring in to make the party more democratic and the MPs more accountable.

The PLP won't support him as they're are career politicians that crave power, they know as long as Corbyn is leader they have 0 chance of attaining that power so they want shut.

[walshie 2,804]

As you say, predictions so early are pointless. I have no desire to get into the what-ifs for the next 4 years like we did before the referendum. Let's just say I'm quietly content to see Labour implode.

 

It's taken long enough but the people are finally realising that the world isn't all fluffy clouds and rosy sunsets.

[WILF 44,299]

ukip is the 2nd place party local to me

Round our way it's the go to party for ordinary working blokes mate, we have seen the area invaded by Africans given a big chunk towards their mortgage while ordinary people are treated like shit by Thurrock council.

Schools ruined by people who have no intention of trying to fit in or become part of the community.

Eastern Europeans coming out your f***ing ears, lads are getting up at 4:30 every morning and driving through massive traffic jams just to be given an £ parking ticket and a congestion charge of £12 before they have even earned a penny.

It's all happened under Labour and Tory government and shows no sign of slowing up.........if everyone lived the life of a Thurrock resident, they would all be voting UKIP too

[BGD 6,385]

 

 

Further behind the Torys than when Foot was leader in 83, you was only 2 weeks ago how he was doing so well in the polls or do they only matter when your trying to bolster his position?

Polls are part of the picture no doubt but the numbers are no worse than I'd expect considering we're in the middle of probably the most bitter and public battle the party has ever seen and the Tories have just had a nice smooth hand over to a relatively popular new leader. The fact he was doing relatively well in the polls all things considered before all this shit shows the current drop is the fault of the plotters.

What's silly is using polls 4 years out from an election to try and predict the result

 

If the PLP would unite behind him Labour would have as a good a chance as they could hope for of winning the next GE the problem is they're not interested in winning on a true leftist platform and they're scared of the reforms he wants to bring in to make the party more democratic and the MPs more accountable.

The PLP won't support him as they're are career politicians that crave power, they know as long as Corbyn is leader they have 0 chance of attaining that power so they want shut.

 

 

See you're half right there but their fear isn't that they can't win elections under Corbyn it's the fact that he wants to reform the party making it harder for careerist MPs that don't serve their constituents to keep their jobs. They've said repeatedly they would rather lose under a Blairite platform than win under Corbyn.

 

This battle really isn't about "electability" on either side, what it comes down to is a power struggle for the future of the party with self-serving careerists on one side and principled democrats on the other.

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

 

 

Further behind the Torys than when Foot was leader in 83, you was only 2 weeks ago how he was doing so well in the polls or do they only matter when your trying to bolster his position?

Polls are part of the picture no doubt but the numbers are no worse than I'd expect considering we're in the middle of probably the most bitter and public battle the party has ever seen and the Tories have just had a nice smooth hand over to a relatively popular new leader. The fact he was doing relatively well in the polls all things considered before all this shit shows the current drop is the fault of the plotters.

What's silly is using polls 4 years out from an election to try and predict the result

 

If the PLP would unite behind him Labour would have as a good a chance as they could hope for of winning the next GE the problem is they're not interested in winning on a true leftist platform and they're scared of the reforms he wants to bring in to make the party more democratic and the MPs more accountable.

The PLP won't support him as they're are career politicians that crave power, they know as long as Corbyn is leader they have 0 chance of attaining that power so they want shut.

 

 

See you're half right there but their fear isn't that they can't win elections under Corbyn it's the fact that he wants to reform the party making it harder for careerist MPs that don't serve their constituents to keep their jobs. They've said repeatedly they would rather lose under a Blairite platform than win under Corbyn.

 

This battle really isn't about "electability" on either side, what it comes down to is a power struggle for the future of the party with self-serving careerists on one side and principled democrats on the other.

 

Yes but, don't you think that many people realise that there is absolutely no way that Corbyn would ever win a GE. Ever. And that is the reason they want him removed?

[BGD 6,385]

 

 

 

 

Further behind the Torys than when Foot was leader in 83, you was only 2 weeks ago how he was doing so well in the polls or do they only matter when your trying to bolster his position?

Polls are part of the picture no doubt but the numbers are no worse than I'd expect considering we're in the middle of probably the most bitter and public battle the party has ever seen and the Tories have just had a nice smooth hand over to a relatively popular new leader. The fact he was doing relatively well in the polls all things considered before all this shit shows the current drop is the fault of the plotters.

What's silly is using polls 4 years out from an election to try and predict the result

 

If the PLP would unite behind him Labour would have as a good a chance as they could hope for of winning the next GE the problem is they're not interested in winning on a true leftist platform and they're scared of the reforms he wants to bring in to make the party more democratic and the MPs more accountable.

The PLP won't support him as they're are career politicians that crave power, they know as long as Corbyn is leader they have 0 chance of attaining that power so they want shut.

 

 

See you're half right there but their fear isn't that they can't win elections under Corbyn it's the fact that he wants to reform the party making it harder for careerist MPs that don't serve their constituents to keep their jobs. They've said repeatedly they would rather lose under a Blairite platform than win under Corbyn.

 

This battle really isn't about "electability" on either side, what it comes down to is a power struggle for the future of the party with self-serving careerists on one side and principled democrats on the other.

 

Yes but, don't you think that many people realise that there is absolutely no way that Corbyn would ever win a GE. Ever. And that is the reason they want him removed?

 

 

No one in the PLP polls that much better than Corbyn. Labour's electability issues predate Corbyn by a long time and won't be improved by any other leadership contender that's been floated so far according to the polls.

Edited July 27, 2016 by BGD

[BGD 6,385]

Honestly all the talk of electability with the GE 4 years away is just a distraction from one the main points of Corbyn's leadership, reforming the internal party structures and giving more power to the members. Something that absolutely terrifies the out of touch careerists and the establishment as a whole.

 

It looks like Labour are headed for a long stint in opposition regardless of who's leading the party so might aswell make good use of the time and get rid of the neoliberal Blairite cancer while we've got the chance. Doing the whole country a service IMO

[J Darcy 5,871]

Honestly all the talk of electability with the GE 4 years away is just a distraction from one the main points of Corbyn's leadership, reforming the internal party structures and giving more power to the members. Something that absolutely terrifies the out of touch careerists and the establishment as a whole.

 

It looks like Labour are headed for a long stint in opposition regardless of who's leading the party so might aswell make good use of the time and get rid of the neoliberal Blairite cancer while we've got the chance. Doing the whole country a service IMO

You certainly are loyal to Corbyn ha ha . But, do you not think the real leftist side of politics is now out of fashion and dated. The world has moved on and now we are faced with important issues such as people coming over here and trying to kill us, the massive benefit cost and uncontrolled immigration. The working man has been shafted by labour and can we really say that Corbyn is for the real grass-roots working man?

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

No they want rid as he's unelectable, they'd get behind polpot if they thought they'd realise their ambitions of power, why can't all of you and your hangers on do the right thing and ALL leave the labour party/movement to who it rightfully belongs ie the working class men and women and maybe then labour would have a chance of re-election. Look here now, weve got Corbyn whose never done a days work in his life, Diane abbot I'll say no more on her , Emily thornberry who thinks white working class are scum as her tweets prove and the likes of you, a career pothead who lives in his basement growing pot, so a choice of this shower of shite or a load of capitalist socialists. when a party like ukip, that's dripping with Toryism can do so well in labour areas it tells you how far labour has sank and no amount of polls or guardian articles can argue against that

[BGD 6,385]

 

 

Honestly all the talk of electability with the GE 4 years away is just a distraction from one the main points of Corbyn's leadership, reforming the internal party structures and giving more power to the members. Something that absolutely terrifies the out of touch careerists and the establishment as a whole.

 

It looks like Labour are headed for a long stint in opposition regardless of who's leading the party so might aswell make good use of the time and get rid of the neoliberal Blairite cancer while we've got the chance. Doing the whole country a service IMO

You certainly are loyal to Corbyn ha ha . But, do you not think the real leftist side of politics is now out of fashion and dated. The world has moved on and now we are faced with important issues such as people coming over here and trying to kill us, the massive benefit cost and uncontrolled immigration. The working man has been shafted by labour and can we really say that Corbyn is for the real grass-roots working man?

I'm honestly not that loyal to Corbyn, there's others I'd rather see leading the party but he's our best shot at getting the badly needed reforms made so he's got my backing for now.

 

I'd say the 300,000 people joining the party and the huge support he gets when he's travelling the country shows there's at least some appetite for his policies. I can't think of another politician who currently enjoys the level of grassroots support that Corbyn does, only Farage would come close but I don't see hundreds of thousands of people joining UKIP. I mean who else in politics these days could raise £4 million in 48 hours or mobilise thousands of supporters onto the street at a moments notice like we saw during the first days of coup attempt?