Tiercel 6,986 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 But the fact of the matter is you do not have to pay the £25 to vote. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-leadership-contest-vote-jeremy-corbyn-new-members-momentum-vote-avoid-paying-25-fee-a7133851.html Firstly, people can join the Unite union as a community member, paying 50p a week until becoming an affiliate member by 8 August. This would allow members or anyone interested, including students and the unemployed, to vote in the upcoming election. Secondly, if you are black, Asian or belong to an ethnic minority, you would be eligible to vote in the election after paying £5 for a two-year membership of BAME Labour. If you are LGBT, you could gain a say in the leadership election if you join LGBT Labour for £8 a year. Alternatively, you could join Scientists for Labour for a concession rate of £5 to vote. TC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) I have said for years, if political parties were serious about social mobility, getting people off welfare, having a good health service that was free to the neediest people in society, get serious about recycling, cut personal and national debt, then they would do away with national insurance tomorrow, make the tax rate 10 or 15 % across the board, do away council tax and all the other stealth charges and put the money and the responsibility back in the hands of people. That way, the "working man" gets to keep the fruit of his labours. Means test the health care, look after the genuinely sick and disabled, encourage marriage by granting further tax breaks in order to preserve family structures, do away with groups like the commission for racial equality........discourage diversity and promote inclusion and unity instead. The whole fecking system is arse upwards at the moment. Not really the position a social democrat party should be arguing though is it? Ideally we'd see a return to real socialist values in the Labour party and a Conservative party with values similar to what you've outlined instead of the race to the centre neoliberalism shite we've been stuck with. But the fact of the matter is you do not have to pay the £25 to vote. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-leadership-contest-vote-jeremy-corbyn-new-members-momentum-vote-avoid-paying-25-fee-a7133851.html Firstly, people can join the Unite union as a community member, paying 50p a week until becoming an affiliate member by 8 August. This would allow members or anyone interested, including students and the unemployed, to vote in the upcoming election. Secondly, if you are black, Asian or belong to an ethnic minority, you would be eligible to vote in the election after paying £5 for a two-year membership of BAME Labour. If you are LGBT, you could gain a say in the leadership election if you join LGBT Labour for £8 a year. Alternatively, you could join Scientists for Labour for a concession rate of £5 to vote. TC The fact there's loopholes (which they've been trying to close already) doesn't change the anti-democratic spirit of the rushed through changes to the rules does it? Edited July 13, 2016 by BGD 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 If Corbyn wouldn't flood the country with even more foreigners, push every minority groups issues to the front at the expense of the majority and scrap trident then maybe a few million working g class people may actually vote for him How does Labour's immigration policy under Corbyn differ to the Tories or indeed UKIP? Which bits do you disagree with, what makes you think that their policy would result in the country being flooded with foreigners at any greater rate than any other party's? That's EXACTLY the point. The working man and Labour have nothing in common anymore. face it, Labour are well out of touch with their traditional voters, Corbyn is just a joke and under his leadership labour will never be taken seriously. Having Corbyn as leader of the Labour party was the best thing to ever happen to Conservative and UKIP.... Face it; the man's a total flop.....but he is a gift from the God's for all the other parties..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 If Corbyn wouldn't flood the country with even more foreigners, push every minority groups issues to the front at the expense of the majority and scrap trident then maybe a few million working g class people may actually vote for him How does Labour's immigration policy under Corbyn differ to the Tories or indeed UKIP? Which bits do you disagree with, what makes you think that their policy would result in the country being flooded with foreigners at any greater rate than any other party's? That's EXACTLY the point. The working man and Labour have nothing in common anymore. face it, Labour are well out of touch with their traditional voters, Corbyn is just a joke and under his leadership labour will never be taken seriously. Having Corbyn as leader of the Labour party was the best thing to ever happen to Conservative and UKIP.... Face it; the man's a total flop.....but he is a gift from the God's for all the other parties..... A total flop who's lead Labour to victory in every election since he became leader and increased the membership of the party to over half a million all while fighting backstabbing and coup attempts by the PLP 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 If Corbyn wouldn't flood the country with even more foreigners, push every minority groups issues to the front at the expense of the majority and scrap trident then maybe a few million working g class people may actually vote for him How does Labour's immigration policy under Corbyn differ to the Tories or indeed UKIP? Which bits do you disagree with, what makes you think that their policy would result in the country being flooded with foreigners at any greater rate than any other party's? That's EXACTLY the point. The working man and Labour have nothing in common anymore. face it, Labour are well out of touch with their traditional voters, Corbyn is just a joke and under his leadership labour will never be taken seriously. Having Corbyn as leader of the Labour party was the best thing to ever happen to Conservative and UKIP.... Face it; the man's a total flop.....but he is a gift from the God's for all the other parties..... A total flop who's lead Labour to victory in every election since he became leader and increased the membership of the party to over half a million all while fighting backstabbing and coup attempts by the PLP Ok...Lets see what happens over the coming years..... we'll see who's right..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 I believe you have to do it with in your own community's, social circle, when you meet people and I'm your actions and try and show people how you want the world to be. I agree with the first part,we naturally prioritise things; family first,then community,then larger community,then natio,then race and lastly all of humanity. The overwhelming majority don't really give a f**k if there's a famine on the other side of the world,as long as it doesn't effect them. Globalism is a perversion of that,it needs us to feel guilty and ashamed,never proud or stoic. Because if we feel to blame for their plight,then and only then we do care. So (minus the waffling) the first and last part of what you wrote are at odds with each other imo. From institutional racism to the original sin,shame is their oldest tool. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 If Corbyn wouldn't flood the country with even more foreigners, push every minority groups issues to the front at the expense of the majority and scrap trident then maybe a few million working g class people may actually vote for him How does Labour's immigration policy under Corbyn differ to the Tories or indeed UKIP? Which bits do you disagree with, what makes you think that their policy would result in the country being flooded with foreigners at any greater rate than any other party's? That's EXACTLY the point. The working man and Labour have nothing in common anymore. face it, Labour are well out of touch with their traditional voters, Corbyn is just a joke and under his leadership labour will never be taken seriously. Having Corbyn as leader of the Labour party was the best thing to ever happen to Conservative and UKIP.... Face it; the man's a total flop.....but he is a gift from the God's for all the other parties..... A total flop who's lead Labour to victory in every election since he became leader and increased the membership of the party to over half a million all while fighting backstabbing and coup attempts by the PLP Ok...Lets see what happens over the coming years..... we'll see who's right..... All I've ever said is he should be given a chance as the democratically elected leader of the party and I can't really see anyone else in the PLP that's likely to perform better in an election. Obviously if Labour suffer huge losses in the next GE then he should resign but he's done pretty well so far especially when you consider he's been sabotaged by the PLP at every turn so unless he fails the electoral test of GE I don't see why he should go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 If Corbyn wouldn't flood the country with even more foreigners, push every minority groups issues to the front at the expense of the majority and scrap trident then maybe a few million working g class people may actually vote for him How does Labour's immigration policy under Corbyn differ to the Tories or indeed UKIP? Which bits do you disagree with, what makes you think that their policy would result in the country being flooded with foreigners at any greater rate than any other party's? That's EXACTLY the point. The working man and Labour have nothing in common anymore. face it, Labour are well out of touch with their traditional voters, Corbyn is just a joke and under his leadership labour will never be taken seriously. Having Corbyn as leader of the Labour party was the best thing to ever happen to Conservative and UKIP.... Face it; the man's a total flop.....but he is a gift from the God's for all the other parties..... A total flop who's lead Labour to victory in every election since he became leader and increased the membership of the party to over half a million all while fighting backstabbing and coup attempts by the PLP Ok...Lets see what happens over the coming years..... we'll see who's right..... All I've ever said is he should be given a chance as the democratically elected leader of the party and I can't really see anyone else in the PLP that's likely to perform better in an election. Obviously if Labour suffer huge losses in the next GE then he should resign but he's done pretty well so far especially when you consider he's been sabotaged by the PLP at every turn so unless he fails the electoral test of GE I don't see why he should go. I don't want him to go....I want him to stay for many, many years. What I am saying is that he is out of touch with his main core of voters; those being the working class people the Labour party has traditionally represented...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 If Corbyn wouldn't flood the country with even more foreigners, push every minority groups issues to the front at the expense of the majority and scrap trident then maybe a few million working g class people may actually vote for him How does Labour's immigration policy under Corbyn differ to the Tories or indeed UKIP? Which bits do you disagree with, what makes you think that their policy would result in the country being flooded with foreigners at any greater rate than any other party's? That's EXACTLY the point. The working man and Labour have nothing in common anymore. face it, Labour are well out of touch with their traditional voters, Corbyn is just a joke and under his leadership labour will never be taken seriously. Having Corbyn as leader of the Labour party was the best thing to ever happen to Conservative and UKIP.... Face it; the man's a total flop.....but he is a gift from the God's for all the other parties..... A total flop who's lead Labour to victory in every election since he became leader and increased the membership of the party to over half a million all while fighting backstabbing and coup attempts by the PLP Ok...Lets see what happens over the coming years..... we'll see who's right..... All I've ever said is he should be given a chance as the democratically elected leader of the party and I can't really see anyone else in the PLP that's likely to perform better in an election. Obviously if Labour suffer huge losses in the next GE then he should resign but he's done pretty well so far especially when you consider he's been sabotaged by the PLP at every turn so unless he fails the electoral test of GE I don't see why he should go. I don't want him to go....I want him to stay for many, many years. What I am saying is that he is out of touch with his main core of voters; those being the working class people the Labour party has traditionally represented...... He seems to connect quite well with the working class people he meets on his travels, you should see the reception he gets at the Durham Miners Gala every year, I'd say that's their traditional main core of voters wouldn't you? We've seen a huge amount of old Labour supporters return to the party since his election and unions like the FBU reaffiliate, no one said it would be easy undoing the damage Blair and Brown did to the party but Corbyn is working on it despite the roadblocks put up by the PLP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 I think he did quite well at PMQs today, Cameron clearly wasn't giving a feck on his last day though 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,173 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Labour need to change its name to the vegan and pro illegal immigrant anti British party as its these looney bins that's killing it off, keep er lit corbyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,379 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 I'll start doing something for them when they start doing something for me! The right to vote, the NHS, child labour laws, workers rights, statutory sick pay, free schooling for all children, the minimum wage, the state pension, the 40 hour week etc etc All achieved when the workers mobilised and united with politicians. Things that are slowly being taken away be a succession of Tory and Red Tory governments. Corbyn represents the first real chance to change that in a long time and that's why the establishment are fighting to so hard to get rid of him. Liberals pushed the NHS not any feckin union.. Ah bollocks cannae be arsed ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
North Briton 31 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 well I did somethin, after the failed coup I was so disgusted by the Blairite b*****ds, I joined Labour [at pensioner rate] just to vote for Corbyn. Then after last nights stitch up on the vote, I've just now joined UNITE so that I still get to vote....I used to be Old Labour but left when they dumped clause4....if you cant stand up for what you believe in,,, then your nuthin........Eagle and Co. want a good slappin'....I hope they get stuffed, deselected, and on the dole 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted July 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 I'll start doing something for them when they start doing something for me! The right to vote, the NHS, child labour laws, workers rights, statutory sick pay, free schooling for all children, the minimum wage, the state pension, the 40 hour week etc etc All achieved when the workers mobilised and united with politicians. Things that are slowly being taken away be a succession of Tory and Red Tory governments. Corbyn represents the first real chance to change that in a long time and that's why the establishment are fighting to so hard to get rid of him. Liberals pushed the NHS not any feckin union.. Ah bollocks cannae be arsed We have the Labour Party backed by the labour movement to thank for the establishment of the NHS, or are we pretending Aneurin Bevan never existed? well I did somethin, after the failed coup I was so disgusted by the Blairite b*****ds, I joined Labour [at pensioner rate] just to vote for Corbyn. Then after last nights stitch up on the vote, I've just now joined UNITE so that I still get to vote....I used to be Old Labour but left when they dumped clause4....if you cant stand up for what you believe in,,, then your nuthin........Eagle and Co. want a good slappin'....I hope they get stuffed, deselected, and on the dole Good on you pal welcome back to the party I left in the Blair years and came back when Corbyn was elected, plenty of my pals who left in the 80s and 90s during the Militant purges have also come back. We're taking our party back Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,379 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Read the Beveridge report son Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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