Learning To Bush

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

Wats tha want a spaniel for bushing stuff out to lurchers for their for the keepers and bread and cheese men one older poacher once said to me when i was contemplateing getting my first spaniel after haveing failed misrabley with variouse terriers who were more intrested in following the lurchers about.Thank feck i got a spaniel.

I've little interest in getting a spaniel but happy to be educated as to their benefits over my terrier, if there are any.

Land that hold lots of badger setts can be a nightmare for free running terriers.

That's why I like this Plummer, she has learnt to stay above and doesn't drop in unless told.

I owned a red fell that would await my command to drop in,she was worth her weight in gold on certain ground,the vast majority of bushing terriers will enter,if they don,t its because they don,t have the minerals for it.Its knowing the land and how to hunt it,leash the mutt and bypass the land or learn to deal with a working terrier.

Did you miss the bit where I said she stays above unless told to drop in?

[morton 5,367]

 

 

 

 

 

Wats tha want a spaniel for bushing stuff out to lurchers for their for the keepers and bread and cheese men one older poacher once said to me when i was contemplateing getting my first spaniel after haveing failed misrabley with variouse terriers who were more intrested in following the lurchers about.Thank feck i got a spaniel.

I've little interest in getting a spaniel but happy to be educated as to their benefits over my terrier, if there are any.

Land that hold lots of badger setts can be a nightmare for free running terriers.

That's why I like this Plummer, she has learnt to stay above and doesn't drop in unless told.

I owned a red fell that would await my command to drop in,she was worth her weight in gold on certain ground,the vast majority of bushing terriers will enter,if they don,t its because they don,t have the minerals for it.Its knowing the land and how to hunt it,leash the mutt and bypass the land or learn to deal with a working terrier.

Did you miss the bit where I said she stays above unless told to drop in?

 

No i stated i owned one that did the same,did you miss that?.

[socks 32,253]

 

I've kept terriers and spaniels for bushing and as with everything in the dog world it's horses for courses ... If you had the best bushing terrier and spaniel in the world pitted against each other the terrain and cover would decide the winner ... If you had an acre of scrub bramble sedge grass and water the spaniel will be victorious ... If you had an acre of hawthorn gauze bushes and tight hedges then the Terrier will be the winner ... Terrain and type of cover will always be the great leveller ... keep the dog that suites the ground you work and you will always be the winner .........

 

I see where you are coming from Socks,the trouble is that the average bushing jukel will cover numerous ground scenarios in the practice of a days ratching about,a useful busher will work them all,be that Spaniel,terrier,Beagle or any combo of each.At the end of the day its about individual preference which is often dictated by our first bushing experiences.I prefer terriers because they should be able to graft above and below with the same commitment,others don,t want the trouble of an entered terrier and have a kennel to suit.

I completely understand what a busher has to do mate ... Iv'e kept dogs for a little while now ... The point I was making was that each different breed suites different terrain ... If you live up in the dales you are going to be working mainly sedge grass so is a terrier the best dog for that ... Probably not ... If your land is down in South Wales you are going to be working thick hawthorn hedges which wouldn't suite a beagle type ... The point I was making was that the best bushing dog is the one that suites the ground you work .....

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wats tha want a spaniel for bushing stuff out to lurchers for their for the keepers and bread and cheese men one older poacher once said to me when i was contemplateing getting my first spaniel after haveing failed misrabley with variouse terriers who were more intrested in following the lurchers about.Thank feck i got a spaniel.

I've little interest in getting a spaniel but happy to be educated as to their benefits over my terrier, if there are any.

Land that hold lots of badger setts can be a nightmare for free running terriers.

That's why I like this Plummer, she has learnt to stay above and doesn't drop in unless told.

I owned a red fell that would await my command to drop in,she was worth her weight in gold on certain ground,the vast majority of bushing terriers will enter,if they don,t its because they don,t have the minerals for it.Its knowing the land and how to hunt it,leash the mutt and bypass the land or learn to deal with a working terrier.

Did you miss the bit where I said she stays above unless told to drop in?

No i stated i owned one that did the same,did you miss that?.

No I saw that. Hence my confusion at your comment "leash the mutt or deal with terrier".

[morton 5,367]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wats tha want a spaniel for bushing stuff out to lurchers for their for the keepers and bread and cheese men one older poacher once said to me when i was contemplateing getting my first spaniel after haveing failed misrabley with variouse terriers who were more intrested in following the lurchers about.Thank feck i got a spaniel.

I've little interest in getting a spaniel but happy to be educated as to their benefits over my terrier, if there are any.

Land that hold lots of badger setts can be a nightmare for free running terriers.

That's why I like this Plummer, she has learnt to stay above and doesn't drop in unless told.

I owned a red fell that would await my command to drop in,she was worth her weight in gold on certain ground,the vast majority of bushing terriers will enter,if they don,t its because they don,t have the minerals for it.Its knowing the land and how to hunt it,leash the mutt and bypass the land or learn to deal with a working terrier.

Did you miss the bit where I said she stays above unless told to drop in?

No i stated i owned one that did the same,did you miss that?.

No I saw that. Hence my confusion at your comment "leash the mutt or deal with terrier".

 

In general,few folk own a terrier awaiting command,especially above an occupied hole,thus in general id advocate the use of a leash on certain ground,with the majority of terriers.

[morton 5,367]

 

 

I've kept terriers and spaniels for bushing and as with everything in the dog world it's horses for courses ... If you had the best bushing terrier and spaniel in the world pitted against each other the terrain and cover would decide the winner ... If you had an acre of scrub bramble sedge grass and water the spaniel will be victorious ... If you had an acre of hawthorn gauze bushes and tight hedges then the Terrier will be the winner ... Terrain and type of cover will always be the great leveller ... keep the dog that suites the ground you work and you will always be the winner .........

I see where you are coming from Socks,the trouble is that the average bushing jukel will cover numerous ground scenarios in the practice of a days ratching about,a useful busher will work them all,be that Spaniel,terrier,Beagle or any combo of each.At the end of the day its about individual preference which is often dictated by our first bushing experiences.I prefer terriers because they should be able to graft above and below with the same commitment,others don,t want the trouble of an entered terrier and have a kennel to suit.

I completely understand what a busher has to do mate ... Iv'e kept dogs for a little while now ... The point I was making was that each different breed suites different terrain ... If you live up in the dales you are going to be working mainly sedge grass so is a terrier the best dog for that ... Probably not ... If your land is down in South Wales you are going to be working thick hawthorn hedges which wouldn't suite a beagle type ... The point I was making was that the best bushing dog is the one that suites the ground you work .....

 

And i still understand where you are coming from Socks and i still believe,also through a little experience,that any terrain can be encountered in the same days ratching about,especially in my vicinity,thus im attempting to get across that many a bushing jukel,irrespective of its lineage,should adapt to any said terrain and graft accordingly and i totally agree that some mutts are certainly better suited to certain terrain and also quarry,now thats a different spanner.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wats tha want a spaniel for bushing stuff out to lurchers for their for the keepers and bread and cheese men one older poacher once said to me when i was contemplateing getting my first spaniel after haveing failed misrabley with variouse terriers who were more intrested in following the lurchers about.Thank feck i got a spaniel.

I've little interest in getting a spaniel but happy to be educated as to their benefits over my terrier, if there are any.

Land that hold lots of badger setts can be a nightmare for free running terriers.

That's why I like this Plummer, she has learnt to stay above and doesn't drop in unless told.

I owned a red fell that would await my command to drop in,she was worth her weight in gold on certain ground,the vast majority of bushing terriers will enter,if they don,t its because they don,t have the minerals for it.Its knowing the land and how to hunt it,leash the mutt and bypass the land or learn to deal with a working terrier.

Did you miss the bit where I said she stays above unless told to drop in?

No i stated i owned one that did the same,did you miss that?.

No I saw that. Hence my confusion at your comment "leash the mutt or deal with terrier".

In general,few folk own a terrier awaiting command,especially above an occupied hole,thus in general id advocate the use of a leash on certain ground,with the majority of terriers.

Fair enough. I've owned a couple of terriers before and neither have been controllable like this Plummer is.

[low plains drifter 9,459]

 

 

 

 

 

Wats tha want a spaniel for bushing stuff out to lurchers for their for the keepers and bread and cheese men one older poacher once said to me when i was contemplateing getting my first spaniel after haveing failed misrabley with variouse terriers who were more intrested in following the lurchers about.Thank feck i got a spaniel.

I've little interest in getting a spaniel but happy to be educated as to their benefits over my terrier, if there are any.

Land that hold lots of badger setts can be a nightmare for free running terriers.

That's why I like this Plummer, she has learnt to stay above and doesn't drop in unless told.

Sounds like a goodun Gaz tbh I prefferd spanials due to the fact they only wanted to bush not be intrested in killing owt plus mine were worked were badgers were present and a spaniel from the right breeding working cover comes that natrualy to them makes the job that bit easyer don't get me wrong I have seen some good bushing dogs in the last 45 years from terriers to variose mongrel crosses to spaniels

I'm looking forward to seeing some decent spaniels work to be honest. Would certainly consider one in the future if they work cover as well as my terrier or at least a spaniel X terrier. Even though she hasn't dropped below for a while the risk is always there with terriers.

some of them little cockers are'nt shy of entering drainage pipes etc either, you never know where any small dog is going to put itself when hot on the scent and / or sight of their quarry, like the look of these spaniel x terriers though and may be a healthier option with the hybrid vigour over a purebred spaniel if what they say about the high incidence of cancer in the breed is accurate ?