How Early

[whippet 99 2,613]

Im pretty sure foxes do not have second litters ,may be wrong but i would say they are only capable of ensuring one litter makes it through however early they are born .Oestrus in vixens is triggered by short daylight hours i believe so would not happen this side of christmas .Neither do dogs come in straight away after a litter or ferrets or any other carnivore .Fairy tales are nice but facts are better

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I BEG TOO DIFFER THERE FOX DROPPER I HAD TWO LITTERS FORM TWO JILLS LAST SEASON , AND MY MATES PAT CAME STRAIGHT BACK INN AFTER PUPS , IM NO LIAR SO EXPLAIN YOUR THEORY

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

I think your mates dog was an exception to the rule! Bitches normally come into season months after whelping but nature being nature strange things do happen.

[whippet 99 2,613]

the thing is who really knows = know one , especially on here

edit too say who really knows the facts that they don't

[foxdropper 17,092]

 

Im pretty sure foxes do not have second litters ,may be wrong but i would say they are only capable of ensuring one litter makes it through however early they are born .Oestrus in vixens is triggered by short daylight hours i believe so would not happen this side of christmas .Neither do dogs come in straight away after a litter or ferrets or any other carnivore .Fairy tales are nice but facts are better

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I BEG TOO DIFFER THERE FOX DROPPER I HAD TWO LITTERS FORM TWO JILLS LAST SEASON , AND MY MATES PAT CAME STRAIGHT BACK INN AFTER PUPS , IM NO LIAR SO EXPLAIN YOUR THEORY

 

The two litters from ferrets is impossible mate but not one to argue so crack on .

[foxdropper 17,092]

The physical strain on a vixen ,bitch ,jill is too much to allow for two litters a year apart from biological reasons .Facts are more important than a good story .

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

Got to agree with you woods. Vixen will tolerate dog fox for food only, she is very aggressive towards him if he ventures close to her or the cubs

[foxdropper 17,092]

Vixens struggle to raise one litter during the summer never mind two

 

My opinion and experience is the summer is to short for her to raise two

 

Ive watched vixens fetch food to big cubs the same size if not bigger than her

 

So where would she have the time to mate again and suckle smaller cubs

 

Facts are facts make of it what you want

Exactly mate .I too have seen cubs bothering a vixen when well grown over food .Also Oestrus is only brought about by shortened daylight hours which is why foxes rut in winter to birth in spring .

[foxdropper 17,092]

Got to agree with you woods. Vixen will tolerate dog fox for food only, she is very aggressive towards him if he ventures close to her or the cubs

Interesting you say that mate .Of all the dens ive watched over the years ive never seen a dog approach with food or have anything to do with the cubs which lead me to believe the dog plays no part in the rearing of them .This season i am going all out to prove or disprove this with trail cams ive just bought .Finding a litter thats not in mortal danger in these parts is tricky though .

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

I like that FD be interesting too see the outcome, i also believe that barren vixens also play a part in raising the cubs bringing food, I think it could be a litter sister thus the vixen will allow this. Hope you do get around to doing this with trail cams sometime in the future call it something like "foxwatch with FD" lol

[Plucky1 1,119]

 

 

Im pretty sure foxes do not have second litters ,may be wrong but i would say they are only capable of ensuring one litter makes it through however early they are born .Oestrus in vixens is triggered by short daylight hours i believe so would not happen this side of christmas .Neither do dogs come in straight away after a litter or ferrets or any other carnivore .Fairy tales are nice but facts are better

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I BEG TOO DIFFER THERE FOX DROPPER I HAD TWO LITTERS FORM TWO JILLS LAST SEASON , AND MY MATES PAT CAME STRAIGHT BACK INN AFTER PUPS , IM NO LIAR SO EXPLAIN YOUR THEORY

 

The two litters from ferrets is impossible mate but not one to argue so crack on .

 

I don't understand this as my jills regularly have 2 litters each and never thought it unusual,my hobs are left in until they are too much hassle for the jills, WM

[whippet 99 2,613]

 

 

 

Im pretty sure foxes do not have second litters ,may be wrong but i would say they are only capable of ensuring one litter makes it through however early they are born .Oestrus in vixens is triggered by short daylight hours i believe so would not happen this side of christmas .Neither do dogs come in straight away after a litter or ferrets or any other carnivore .Fairy tales are nice but facts are better

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I BEG TOO DIFFER THERE FOX DROPPER I HAD TWO LITTERS FORM TWO JILLS LAST SEASON , AND MY MATES PAT CAME STRAIGHT BACK INN AFTER PUPS , IM NO LIAR SO EXPLAIN YOUR THEORY

 

The two litters from ferrets is impossible mate but not one to argue so crack on .

 

I don't understand this as my jills regularly have 2 litters each and never thought it unusual,my hobs are left in until they are too much hassle for the jills, WM

 

I know for fact my jills had two litters each a season , straight after ........im not saying its impossible for any animal

thl experts at its best yet again on there own expertise

must be a miracle ,.......jump on the band wagon brigade lol

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

You are correct Plucky1, a ferret can have one or two litters by natural means but up to five if you adjust the lighting and heating tricking her reproductive system into a fertile stage

[fireman 10,774]

I like that FD be interesting too see the outcome, i also believe that barren vixens also play a part in raising the cubs bringing food, I think it could be a litter sister thus the vixen will allow this. Hope you do get around to doing this with trail cams sometime in the future call it something like "foxwatch with FD" lol

I delt with a vixen and cubs last year and a small barren vixen was shot that night by the keeper carrying a half eaten rabbit to the earth,she still had the rabbit clamped in her jaws when i saw her the next mmorning.She was not the dam of the cubs 100% as she showed no sign of cubbing herself but was deffo dropping off the rabbit for the cubs when she was shot...

[whippet 99 2,613]

nature is very clever , documenteries see other vixens takeing on other litters , I just wouldn't say nothing is impossible

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

Hope to f**k goodie goodie Packham doesn't read this thread and likes your idea, hate the thought of you being big buddies with that t**t lol