Sheep Farmer Shoots Hounds

[spindolero 1,109]

As I said spindelero haven't heard of that going on down here! All I know is farmer's want foxes taken care of by whatever means they really don't care

 

well I'm West Wales and I've heard it.

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

As I said spindelero it hasn't reached my ears yet in my part of West Wales. Only thing I know the farmers down my way would be over the moon if they knew that they are giving permission to people who just scare foxes and the foxes must be piing themselves too ( literally). Ah well each to their own eh!!

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

As I said spindelero it hasn't reached my ears yet in my part of West Wales. Only thing I know the farmers down my way would be over the moon if they knew that they are giving permission to people who just scare foxes and the foxes must be piing themselves too ( literally). Ah well each to their own eh!!

[spindolero 1,109]

yes mate, each to their own.

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

What country did this happen in? Were the hounds shot with a shotgun or a rifle?

 

Hound owner pm me if preferred.

[raynardman 518]

What country did this happen in? Were the hounds shot with a shotgun or a rifle?

Hound owner pm me if preferred.

West Wales/shotgun

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

 

What country did this happen in? Were the hounds shot with a shotgun or a rifle?

Hound owner pm me if preferred.

West Wales/shotgun

Was it a double barrel or a semi auto? If it is held on an FAC then it must be conditioned for use. I doubt it will have been conditioned for the protection of livestock. A possible avenue of investigation?

 

Farmers do not have a legal right to shoot dogs. Shooting someone else's dog without their permission is criminal damage. What farmers do have is a defence in law against such a claim, if it can be proven that the dog was worrying livestock and there was no other way to prevent the worrying. Livestock worrying is defined as

 

(a)attacking livestock, or

(b)chasing livestock in such a way as may reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering to the livestock or, in the case of females, abortion, or loss of or diminution in their produce.

©being at large (that is to say not on a lead or otherwise under close control) in a field or enclosure in which there are sheep

 

However, pack hounds are excused point c. I would insist that the police investigate this case of criminal damage. Therefore the burden of proof will be on the shooter to prove that the hounds were actively engaged in the act of attacking or chasing sheep, and that there was no other reasonable way to prevent the attack. Any person who shoots a dog in order to prevent a livestock attack is required to report the incident to the police within 48hrs. Failure to do so will prevent the shooter from using Animals Act 1971 as a defence against a civil claim. It may also reflect badly in any following criminal proceedings.

 

The NFU strongly recommends that farmers take video evidence before shooting.

 

There may also be a potential prosecution in respect of the two injured hounds. As the shooter failed to kill them immediately and outright, there may be a case for charging him with unnecessary suffering. Again, insist that the police investigate this criminal offence.

 

Should the police fail to act on either of these charges, then it is possible to bring a private prosecution in the style of the RSPCA. A complaint may also be made to the firearms licensing department of the police force involved.

[foxbolter 447]

Can you imagine rspca fighting case for fox hunt

[raynardman 518]

 

 

What country did this happen in? Were the hounds shot with a shotgun or a rifle?

Hound owner pm me if preferred.

West Wales/shotgun

Was it a double barrel or a semi auto? If it is held on an FAC then it must be conditioned for use. I doubt it will have been conditioned for the protection of livestock. A possible avenue of investigation?

 

Farmers do not have a legal right to shoot dogs. Shooting someone else's dog without their permission is criminal damage. What farmers do have is a defence in law against such a claim, if it can be proven that the dog was worrying livestock and there was no other way to prevent the worrying. Livestock worrying is defined as

 

(a)attacking livestock, or

(b)chasing livestock in such a way as may reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering to the livestock or, in the case of females, abortion, or loss of or diminution in their produce.

©being at large (that is to say not on a lead or otherwise under close control) in a field or enclosure in which there are sheep

 

However, pack hounds are excused point c. I would insist that the police investigate this case of criminal damage. Therefore the burden of proof will be on the shooter to prove that the hounds were actively engaged in the act of attacking or chasing sheep, and that there was no other reasonable way to prevent the attack. Any person who shoots a dog in order to prevent a livestock attack is required to report the incident to the police within 48hrs. Failure to do so will prevent the shooter from using Animals Act 1971 as a defence against a civil claim. It may also reflect badly in any following criminal proceedings.

 

The NFU strongly recommends that farmers take video evidence before shooting.

 

There may also be a potential prosecution in respect of the two injured hounds. As the shooter failed to kill them immediately and outright, there may be a case for charging him with unnecessary suffering. Again, insist that the police investigate this criminal offence.

 

Should the police fail to act on either of these charges, then it is possible to bring a private prosecution in the style of the RSPCA. A complaint may also be made to the firearms licensing department of the police force involved.

 

It's in solicitors hands now so hoping all these points would be covered but will pass them on anyway, thanks

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

 

 

 

What country did this happen in? Were the hounds shot with a shotgun or a rifle?

Hound owner pm me if preferred.

 

West Wales/shotgun

Was it a double barrel or a semi auto? If it is held on an FAC then it must be conditioned for use. I doubt it will have been conditioned for the protection of livestock. A possible avenue of investigation?

Farmers do not have a legal right to shoot dogs. Shooting someone else's dog without their permission is criminal damage. What farmers do have is a defence in law against such a claim, if it can be proven that the dog was worrying livestock and there was no other way to prevent the worrying. Livestock worrying is defined as

(a)attacking livestock, or

(b)chasing livestock in such a way as may reasonably be expected to cause injury or suffering to the livestock or, in the case of females, abortion, or loss of or diminution in their produce.

©being at large (that is to say not on a lead or otherwise under close control) in a field or enclosure in which there are sheep

However, pack hounds are excused point c. I would insist that the police investigate this case of criminal damage. Therefore the burden of proof will be on the shooter to prove that the hounds were actively engaged in the act of attacking or chasing sheep, and that there was no other reasonable way to prevent the attack. Any person who shoots a dog in order to prevent a livestock attack is required to report the incident to the police within 48hrs. Failure to do so will prevent the shooter from using Animals Act 1971 as a defence against a civil claim. It may also reflect badly in any following criminal proceedings.

The NFU strongly recommends that farmers take video evidence before shooting.

There may also be a potential prosecution in respect of the two injured hounds. As the shooter failed to kill them immediately and outright, there may be a case for charging him with unnecessary suffering. Again, insist that the police investigate this criminal offence.

Should the police fail to act on either of these charges, then it is possible to bring a private prosecution in the style of the RSPCA. A complaint may also be made to the firearms licensing department of the police force involved.

It's in solicitors hands now so hoping all these points would be covered but will pass them on anyway, thanks

Sorry mate didn't realise you already had a solicitor on the case. Hope you get a good result. Be sure to let us all know how you get on!

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

I think that would be a first foxbolter especially good if Brian May spoke in our defence as well, oh f**ck sorry I just woke up it was just a dream. Well done unlacedgecko for all your advice, some good points there that I hope the boys can use.

[neil cooney 10,415]

Can you imagine rspca fighting case for fox hunt

A couple of years ago there was a foxhunting debate on telly and the anti's had some farmers with them who were opposed to hunts being on their land.

Things were going smoothly for the anti's until someone asked the farmers would they shoot hounds ?

The farmers said YES.

The pro hunters pointed out that hounds were animals too and why would animal lovers shoot hounds ?

Then someone pointed out to the farmers that the anti's were all anti meat production too and it all went downhill after that.

[old school 476]

Haven't read all he replies but what people fail to understand is hounds don't have to actually attack sheep to worry them, the sight of a dozen hounds coming hurdling through fields can send sheep to the wire and drains in panic and they'll just lie there until there dead... Stupid animals but they are somebody's livelihood so the farmer is within his rights... If you can't keep them off his ground then that ground should be avoided... Like you've said, it's not the first time so why go back??

[spindolero 1,109]

in most of Wales you can't help but avoid sheep, and vast majority of farmers are still happy for hounds for hunt through their land. you get the odd one that asks to give them a wide berth but in general the support is excellent.

it sounds like in this case there's bad blood going back a while, because it's far from typical.

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

Back you all the way on that one spindolero