Further Update On New Lurcher Association

[MickyB 327]

I wasn't calling you sad directly, like you said in an earlier post that your issue with the code was petty, I was pointing out that the negativity directed at these guys who are doing something good for lurcher work, and its not just on this thread, my point was if a member was to get caught in the wrong (illegally) they shouldn't drag the club into it, the committee should be squeaky clean imo wells as clean as possible.

 

I made my position clear at the beginning of this to the people involved im happy to help in any way I can, if lurcherwork is to have a legitimate future in this country it needs an organization like this, knocking it before its got off the ground will do us no good

Atb

Mick

[bonehead 92]

 

Call it sad if you like. . . . . . but to me, that just sounds like the defence of someone who doesn't like constructive criticism! These kind of bodies NEED to be questioned, so that answers can be formed, defences prepared etc. When someone critiques what you are doing, and your only response is to call them sad or have a go at them. . . . . it just makes you seem weak and unsure of your position.

 

I'd really like to support something like this, I think lurcher ownership gets portrayed in a terrible light. Its mostly down to the idiots and fools. . . . . but there are an awful lot of them, and a lot of damage has already been done.

 

What I question is - if this new lurcher group / authority, wishes to distance itself from illegal actions (i.e breaking the hunting ban etc) then what happens when one of its members or rather its 'council' gets caught doing so. . . . . is that not just going to throw dispersion on the whole thing? Or are all members and commitee members going to stay whiter than white? People will be looking for wrong doing, because thats what happens when you put yourself in the lime light.

 

Also, If someone like me is caught breaking the law, does that mean that for the 'good of the cause' i'd be thrown to the wolves? And grouped together with the complete idiots who are the cause of much of the bad press in the beginning?

 

I just want to know that this thing is well thought through, and has best intentions at heart. . . . . before I support it. Too many of these kind of things go off half cocked and end up with people looking daft or just being totally irrelevant and ineffective.

 

If by questioning these things rather than just saying lots of empty positive comments on an internet forum. . . . . . I'm sad. Then so be it!

Very good post. And I honestly hadnt thought about that.

 

It's so easy to find yourself up in court with how strict this hunting ban is. Hunting accidents do and will continue to happen. Someone will be sat waiting for a member of the comittee or assosciation to make a "wrong turn" as it were.

 

What then?

 

I've been up in court myself, accused (wrongly of course) of poaching. But people never hear the "wrongly accused" bit. Or the "case thrown out". That never gets printed in the local paper.

under the circumstance as gaz has said above would there be Support from club ? Also maybe in time if club grows and has funding from members I would in know way mind if contribution were raised to help fight cases in court or help to pay for some kind of legal cost just like old football firms use to do I know that this could be a long time off but would be good get feed back etc atb

[nothernlite 18,023]

Don't see anyone knocking it just asking questions

[Ideation 8,216]

I wasn't calling you sad directly, like you said in an earlier post that your issue with the code was petty, I was pointing out that the negativity directed at these guys who are doing something good for lurcher work, and its not just on this thread, my point was if a member was to get caught in the wrong (illegally) they shouldn't drag the club into it, the committee should be squeaky clean imo wells as clean as possible.

 

I made my position clear at the beginning of this to the people involved im happy to help in any way I can, if lurcherwork is to have a legitimate future in this country it needs an organization like this, knocking it before its got off the ground will do us no good

Atb

Mick

 

 

My 'petty' criticism was just that, in many cases more than one running dog is used on a quarry, without it being terrible and immoral, and would I find myself contravening the 'COC' by going bushing with my little pack? I called it 'petty' because its not a major point, but one I wished to question, as it is through questions that we come up with good answers.

 

I agree that the 'committee' needs to be squeaky clean, but I just question whether it may ultimately lead to a greater division amongst lurcher folk. Because I am certainly no moronic idiot out to 'smash' everything and 'fun da ban', but I am also not squeaky clean. If caught doing something that contravenes the ban, I'd just hope that when (inevitably) this new committee are asked their thoughts - they do not throw me to the wolves. . . . . .

 

I will help this effort however I can, but I will continue doing what I do and being who I am. Lone wolf and all that . . . . .

[MickyB 327]

 

 

I wasn't calling you sad directly, like you said in an earlier post that your issue with the code was petty, I was pointing out that the negativity directed at these guys who are doing something good for lurcher work, and its not just on this thread, my point was if a member was to get caught in the wrong (illegally) they shouldn't drag the club into it, the committee should be squeaky clean imo wells as clean as possible.

 

I made my position clear at the beginning of this to the people involved im happy to help in any way I can, if lurcherwork is to have a legitimate future in this country it needs an organization like this, knocking it before its got off the ground will do us no good

Atb

Mick

 

My 'petty' criticism was just that, in many cases more than one running dog is used on a quarry, without it being terrible and immoral, and would I find myself contravening the 'COC' by going bushing with my little pack? I called it 'petty' because its not a major point, but one I wished to question, as it is through questions that we come up with good answers.

 

I agree that the 'committee' needs to be squeaky clean, but I just question whether it may ultimately lead to a greater division amongst lurcher folk. Because I am certainly no moronic idiot out to 'smash' everything and 'fun da ban', but I am also not squeaky clean. If caught doing something that contravenes the ban, I'd just hope that when (inevitably) this new committee are asked their thoughts - they do not throw me to the wolves. . . . . .

 

I will help this effort however I can, but I will continue doing what I do and being who I am. Lone wolf and all that . . . . .

I see what your saying Ideation but think the code was talking about a slip by slip basis (that's how I took it) bushing is different of course, if you was caught doing something you shouldn't would you drag the club into it, I would like to think you wouldn't.

 

Everyone should have their say but the negativity is doing no good, again that's not aimed at you, some have genuine questions and suggestions and that is what's needed, I think we should let the steering group get it off the ground first with these preliminary meetings and then the bushing aspect and others can be ironed out.

ATB

Mick

[desertbred 5,490]

Surely the elected Committee would be expected to nail their colours to the mast regarding the Hunting Ban Legislation. The ultimate goal should be full repeal. This may be a goal to far but Cameron in his election speeches talked of Repeal later it was watered down for political expediency to Amendments.then due to the double standards of the SNP this amendment bill had to be postponed until more favourable conditions manifest themselves. . I note again one or two posts criticising ofyounger generation a lot of the idiots posting on f/b are far from younger elements Age unfortunately does not always equate with wisdom and attitudes and stupidity are not restricted to younger folk. Peoples behaviour and morals are a reflection of the society and environment they are raised in, Those who are referred to as old school should offer guidance and education to those who are as was said rebelling Raising well rounded individuals does not happen by accident, and though many get tarred with the same brush because of stereo typing it serves no purpose what so ever to criticise without the intention of improvement or putting something better in place.. Several folk mention legal defence for those fallingfoul of the Hunting Act the law at present is interpreted by the CPS and judges the Police enforce it, if someone flouts or breaks the law then surely they should be prepared for the consequences How can you improve the image of hunters and lurcher owners im the public estimation then defend poaching which is a crime under legislation pre ban. I f you poach then be a silent poacher dont talk about it and dont post images that even disturb even abid hunters let alone joe public. People who do straddle the line of legality should not request a place on the committee unless they leave illegal acts. Whether you or me think, the law is wrong the law is the law and unfortunately you have to abide by it until and unless it is changed.

Edited October 8, 2015 by desertbred

[Leeview 787]

 

Don't understand none of it lol if your a member do you have to follow all them rules? Atb AT

you pay your money, you make your choice

 

IF the CA ask " do all members agree to abide by the COC" will your answer be the same?

Y.I.S Leeview

[dytkos 17,534]

Surely the point of joining such an association is to have like minded individuals in your corner so to speak?

Not talking about the absolute arseholes but lads doing a bit of pre ban hunting, who unfortunately got caught? "D

 

Cheers, D.

[mad4it 693]

this new association can only be a good thing, well done to every one involed in trying to get it sorted

[Dewclaw69 484]

please see the pinned post at the top of the page. thanks

[Omanyra 2,518]

hope it all goes well for those involved

Good luck

[Dewclaw69 484]

bump

[stevo79 569]

Can't see it doing any harm at all, it can only do good. Fair play to those tying to set it up and thumbs down to all those knocking it. That's the trouble with this world. There's always someone ready to piss on your fire.

Atb

[desertbred 5,490]

Surely the point of joining such an association is to have like minded individuals in your corner so to speak?

Not talking about the absolute arseholes but lads doing a bit of pre ban hunting, who unfortunately got caught? "D

 

Cheers,

 

 

In the past members and Masters of foxhounds have faced prosecution under contravention of the Hunting with dogs act, I assume these hunts are members or represented on the C o H and in turn on the Country Alliance, Under a Code of Conduct it is expected that members of what ever group or association are operating and respecting the said code. No doubt some times these guide lines and codes are by accident broken and may have resulted in prosecution. The group or association should as a rule morally support its membership. Those who go out and blatently flout the code or break the present laws e.g poaching should fight their own corner. The representatives of the association should rightly be operating or hunting within the constraints of the present legislation , complying with hunting as it is out lined and complying with the Act. even though disagreeing with it and with an Agenda to repeal the Act or get it at the very least amended to give a level field for lads and lasses to work their dogs without being criminalised. The representatives attending the upcoming meeting deserve 100% support and lets hope they report back with positive results and the association can then be organised for complete participation of potential members.

Edited October 11, 2015 by desertbred

[Giro 2,648]

 

 

Surely the point of joining such an association is to have like minded individuals in your corner so to speak?

Not talking about the absolute arseholes but lads doing a bit of pre ban hunting, who unfortunately got caught? "D

 

Cheers,

 

 

In the past members and Masters of foxhounds have faced prosecution under contravention of the Hunting with dogs act, I assume these hunts are members or represented on the C o H and in turn on the Country Alliance, Under a Code of Conduct it is expected that members of what ever group or association are operating and respecting the said code. No doubt some times these guide lines and codes are by accident broken and may have resulted in prosecution. The group or association should as a rule morally support its membership. Those who go out and blatently flout the code or break the present laws e.g poaching should fight their own corner. The representatives of the association should rightly be operating or hunting within the constraints of the present legislation , complying with hunting as it is out lined and complying with the Act. even though disagreeing with it and with an Agenda to repeal the Act or get it at the very least amended to give a level field for lads and lasses

That makes sence..