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Yeah he will take stick but only when he has to,a hard dog to me engages his game more or less all the time he's with it so most take a fair bit every dig where a Bayer with balls only gets knocked about with aggressive animals,best dog I ever seen steady away but would not let anything pass him he rarely got knocked about and was always locked up on breakthrough he was dug to many testing game and always got the result a true class act brains as well as bolocks

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I think everyone has a different opinion on what is called a hard terrier.Some will call a terrier that can kill fox to ground on a regular basis hard where others will say the dog just has a nack for

Mute dog would not keep it I like the sound of sounding under my feet to much most of what I come across is educated stuff and I dig them with bayer mixer types I have no need for hard dog just my opi

If it wasnt for them hard dogs being bred off there would be barely any decent dogs about today. Them that drift away from hard dogs altogether do so at their own peril,il use nick stevens as an examp

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my type of dog I like is one that finds bays within 6 inches when the quarry comes forward hold him there at all costs and keeps quarry bizzy enough that quarry can't turn around and be doing other things only fighting if needs to .when a dog works this way it will be successful more times and last longer than a complete fighter which some are referring to on this thread . why throw fuel on a fire when a fire is burning under control but if that's all you got well that's it . I will add to say the job will get done with a fighter more often than with a complete Bayer .

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Foxbolter, I agree with you. The diffence in certain parts of the world terriers can get away with working 6 inches away from quarry and put pressure on if needs be. Will the same terrier be able to be dug to everytime if the quarry is putting it to the terrier from first contact, from past experience?

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Some very hard wreckless dogs must make a Haynes out of it with some quarry ? But some must just have control either way , i dont know . a dog who doesnt mix too much if need be as said , can start to give too much advantage maybe after time and trial and not be much use in the real worled . some dont feel pain though thats the difference but know how to work , having the right ability and good enough standard and in a bark mix when right or just through that its in its braveness . Also some hard bred workers i know of now who dont bark are inteligent more so and have all the working cridentials .

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A terrier that knows the score and is committed will and should hold its game given there are no obstacles in its way.There are times when a terrier will meet its quarry maybe in a very large tube and then it can get by after a lot of tussling but in a reasonable size tube-stop it should hold its game.Pre-ban when other animals could be dug legally an animal that had been dug and released was not going to be dug easily 2nd time around and no matter what lads say you wont dig them with a sounder as when it pushes and it will once it hears the shovels working over head the sounder will move with it,stuuf that is green and never been dug before you probably would but not on educated stuff where as the harder type will go to meet its quarry when it starts pushing holding it there,just my take on it,everyone to there own.I have heard and read on here where lads have said that a terrier that is mute is not working its quarry properly and a sounder is as its sparring with it the whole time,out of the 2 i know the type i would keep.

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would you say that any dog that barks is afraid? And if a dog was not barking and was sitting with his quarry and waiting for you to break through to be buried into it , be hard and intelligent _?
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A terrier that knows the score and is committed will and should hold its game given there are no obstacles in its way.There are times when a terrier will meet its quarry maybe in a very large tube and then it can get by after a lot of tussling but in a reasonable size tube-stop it should hold its game.Pre-ban when other animals could be dug legally an animal that had been dug and released was not going to be dug easily 2nd time around and no matter what lads say you wont dig them with a sounder as when it pushes and it will once it hears the shovels working over head the sounder will move with it,stuuf that is green and never been dug before you probably would but not on educated stuff where as the harder type will go to meet its quarry when it starts pushing holding it there,just my take on it,everyone to there own.I have heard and read on here where lads have said that a terrier that is mute is not working its quarry properly and a sounder is as its sparring with it the whole time,out of the 2 i know the type i would keep.

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would you say that any dog that barks is afraid? And if a dog was not barking and was sitting with his quarry and waiting for you to break through to be buried into it , be hard and intelligent _?
I mean a dog which would keep it there but not bark or fight , unless had to , and when you broke in on the dog.
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A terrier that knows the score and is committed will and should hold its game given there are no obstacles in its way.There are times when a terrier will meet its quarry maybe in a very large tube and then it can get by after a lot of tussling but in a reasonable size tube-stop it should hold its game.Pre-ban when other animals could be dug legally an animal that had been dug and released was not going to be dug easily 2nd time around and no matter what lads say you wont dig them with a sounder as when it pushes and it will once it hears the shovels working over head the sounder will move with it,stuuf that is green and never been dug before you probably would but not on educated stuff where as the harder type will go to meet its quarry when it starts pushing holding it there,just my take on it,everyone to there own.I have heard and read on here where lads have said that a terrier that is mute is not working its quarry properly and a sounder is as its sparring with it the whole time,out of the 2 i know the type i would keep.

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would you say that any dog that barks is afraid? And if a dog was not barking and was sitting with his quarry and waiting for you to break through to be buried into it , be hard and intelligent _?
I mean a dog which would keep it there but not bark or fight , unless had to , and when you broke in on the dog.
Thats what we call peeping,and would in my eyes be an undisirable trait,
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A terrier that knows the score and is committed will and should hold its game given there are no obstacles in its way.There are times when a terrier will meet its quarry maybe in a very large tube and then it can get by after a lot of tussling but in a reasonable size tube-stop it should hold its game.Pre-ban when other animals could be dug legally an animal that had been dug and released was not going to be dug easily 2nd time around and no matter what lads say you wont dig them with a sounder as when it pushes and it will once it hears the shovels working over head the sounder will move with it,stuuf that is green and never been dug before you probably would but not on educated stuff where as the harder type will go to meet its quarry when it starts pushing holding it there,just my take on it,everyone to there own.I have heard and read on here where lads have said that a terrier that is mute is not working its quarry properly and a sounder is as its sparring with it the whole time,out of the 2 i know the type i would keep.

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would you say that any dog that barks is afraid? And if a dog was not barking and was sitting with his quarry and waiting for you to break through to be buried into it , be hard and intelligent _?

 

That can be answered in 2 ways Pablo,1st a well used-worked terrier that gives a bit of tongue could be showing its quarry respect as long as it does not let it push by him when the time comes,2nd it could be afraid of its shite of the quarry and sooner sit back sounding its head of than get stuck in and when the pressure comes will more than likely let the quarry push past,will a terrier sound at a rat or rabbit or anything it knows it can kill without fuss,no it wont.

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A terrier that knows the score and is committed will and should hold its game given there are no obstacles in its way.There are times when a terrier will meet its quarry maybe in a very large tube and then it can get by after a lot of tussling but in a reasonable size tube-stop it should hold its game.Pre-ban when other animals could be dug legally an animal that had been dug and released was not going to be dug easily 2nd time around and no matter what lads say you wont dig them with a sounder as when it pushes and it will once it hears the shovels working over head the sounder will move with it,stuuf that is green and never been dug before you probably would but not on educated stuff where as the harder type will go to meet its quarry when it starts pushing holding it there,just my take on it,everyone to there own.I have heard and read on here where lads have said that a terrier that is mute is not working its quarry properly and a sounder is as its sparring with it the whole time,out of the 2 i know the type i would keep.

couldnt of put if any better
would you say that any dog that barks is afraid? And if a dog was not barking and was sitting with his quarry and waiting for you to break through to be buried into it , be hard and intelligent _?

 

That can be answered in 2 ways Pablo,1st a well used-worked terrier that gives a bit of tongue could be showing its quarry respect as long as it does not let it push by him when the time comes,2nd it could be afraid of its shite of the quarry and sooner sit back sounding its head of than get stuck in and when the pressure comes will more than likely let the quarry push past,will a terrier sound at a rat or rabbit or anything it knows it can kill without fuss,no it wont.

 

could it be frustration as well?(shes fairly big)ive a bitch thats never made a sound-bar new years eve last year-she gave about 5 barks in the middle of a dig then on again-couldnt really dig her again for the rest of last season and anything ive done this season with her has been handy enough..

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If a guy digs the same area in general over the years he will bump into the same old guys who have met with the same terrier's. If your dog happens to be a mixer surely he will have to hold his ground quiet often with these guys, so he must to get punished quiet often also. So no matter how intelligent the dog maybe if he has to hold his ground a number a times in a season surley his apperance aint going to be all that different, it dont take much. So my point is if you dig educated stuff fairly often a sounder is useless a mixer is somewhat better and the other type is necessary.

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I never knew we had to choose one. A 100% mute dog is as limited to me as a bayer. But will fail with time and opportunity.

 

I want a real digging dog to coast for hours underground if they can and never let go when they have to.

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My young stock usually start very headstrong and hard but over the seasons they steady up a small bit and use their brains and voice more and more and become very capable terriers. I imagine that's the way it is with most lines. I don't call them hard or bayers there just working terriers. I have certain dogs from my line which mix it more than others and other ones from the same line which like to tongue a bit more. All terriers which get the job done.

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