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I'm at a loose end trying to find an injury on my 4 year old lurcher. I've been away from home with work and on coming back my mum said that for a week or so my dog has had an injury. We can't pin down to when it was exactly so we don't know how he's done it. In most respects hes a tough dog and he does seem to be in some distress with it when is hurting but is very hit and miss when it does hurt him. He can be having a run about and stop yelping and crying then have a pronounced limp or it doesn't seem to affect him at all. He could be scrapping with another dog one minute then the next yelling and being more aggressive to keep it off.

 

I've checked him over and run my hands quite firmly over the side that's affected with no real reaction from him. He's still eating drinking pooing and weeing fine and doesn't seem affected in the night.

 

I'm reluctant to take him to the vet straight away if all they are going to do is tell me too lead walk and rest or go through a long expensive process of x rays ect if the end result is rest and lead walk.

 

I guess I'm asking for tips ie how to diagnose the problem. how i could help him recover faster. I worth trying to get some painkillers for him or should i take him to the vetand get the tests done?

 

Thanks in advance

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No, don't go to a vet, but rather, take him to a very good bone/back man. It sounds as though he has what is commonly known as a trapped nerve. Which is to say, that a strained muscle or joint is squashing a nerve, but it only 'stabs' the dog with pain every now and again.

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im with skycat big difference between a vet and a proper bone man,i had a bitch years ago just wasny quite right in her running style and i was none the wiser but bloke i know took a look,thought he was gonna break her neck and possibly her back although looking back he might have done me a favour lol,anyways put her through it and within week or so she was bouncing around like a pup again

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Ok Thanks all. Ill see how i get on this week.give him a few days and if it's not sorted I'll get the ball rolling. Thanks for everyone's help

Buch don't wait "get the ball rolling now" your dog needs to see a good "bone/muscle" man asap and then depending whats diagnosed a good vet up on greyhounds/running dogs if its recomended

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You are a bone man and likely as good as most that will charge you a fiver to make up a crap diagnosis. Go over your dog checking every joint.

 

Gently mobilising every one starting with the toes, then wrists checking bend, rotating and extension, move to elbow then shoulder then repeat on the other side, next go over back legs in a similar fashion. Feel all the muscles comparing one side to the next, look for heat, tenderness or withdrawing when you try to mobilise. Check pads to tiny holes etc. Check the area between the toes and wrist of forelimbs for small areas of swelling about an inch above the toes. Rotate neck up, down then side to side. Feel along back muscles either side of the spine then over the hips, check inner thighs for swelling or changes between the two sides. Look for bruising everywhere

 

If you do this thoroughly you will find the problem then you can make decision if you know how to sort it or need a vet.

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This tit has injured himself twice. Straight on the lead and checked over as sandy said. I found the issue and dealt with it myself but for me if an injury persists after a couple of days rest and looks no better, then its the vets for a full xray etc

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You are a bone man and likely as good as most that will charge you a fiver to make up a crap diagnosis. Go over your dog checking every joint.

 

Gently mobilising every one starting with the toes, then wrists checking bend, rotating and extension, move to elbow then shoulder then repeat on the other side, next go over back legs in a similar fashion. Feel all the muscles comparing one side to the next, look for heat, tenderness or withdrawing when you try to mobilise. Check pads to tiny holes etc. Check the area between the toes and wrist of forelimbs for small areas of swelling about an inch above the toes. Rotate neck up, down then side to side. Feel along back muscles either side of the spine then over the hips, check inner thighs for swelling or changes between the two sides. Look for bruising everywhere

 

If you do this thoroughly you will find the problem then you can make decision if you know how to sort it or need a vet.

Are you saying there are not guys who are specialists at this sort of stuff? Wow!!!!

My Dad was heavily into greyhounds for many years and knew how to rub a dog down after a run but he realised there were a few guys out there that could just look at a dog and know there's a problem.

The OP needs help with finding a problem and he needs to go to someone who knows what there doing......local bone man is the answer.

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You are a bone man and likely as good as most that will charge you a fiver to make up a crap diagnosis. Go over your dog checking every joint.

 

Gently mobilising every one starting with the toes, then wrists checking bend, rotating and extension, move to elbow then shoulder then repeat on the other side, next go over back legs in a similar fashion. Feel all the muscles comparing one side to the next, look for heat, tenderness or withdrawing when you try to mobilise. Check pads to tiny holes etc. Check the area between the toes and wrist of forelimbs for small areas of swelling about an inch above the toes. Rotate neck up, down then side to side. Feel along back muscles either side of the spine then over the hips, check inner thighs for swelling or changes between the two sides. Look for bruising everywhere

 

If you do this thoroughly you will find the problem then you can make decision if you know how to sort it or need a vet.

It is not necessarily as easy as you make it sound. 'Rotating the neck' for example, is incredibly dangerous if someone who doesn't understand the mechanics of the vertebrae tries to do this. Too roughly done it may seriously damage the dog. And many people are unable to truly feel slight heat or hardness in a muscle: it can take a trained eye and hand to spot such problems. It's all very well, and sometimes very useful, to know how to check your own dog over, but I know that I'd sooner have a trained and experienced person look over my dog. It is also very easy to overlook something if you don't know what you are looking for: needle in a haystack.

 

Whilst there are some pretty useless bone men out there, there are also some highly trained and very experienced chiropractors who I'd trust to manipulate my dog. Surely someone on here can recommend a decent bone man in the OP's area?

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You are a bone man and likely as good as most that will charge you a fiver to make up a crap diagnosis. Go over your dog checking every joint.

 

Gently mobilising every one starting with the toes, then wrists checking bend, rotating and extension, move to elbow then shoulder then repeat on the other side, next go over back legs in a similar fashion. Feel all the muscles comparing one side to the next, look for heat, tenderness or withdrawing when you try to mobilise. Check pads to tiny holes etc. Check the area between the toes and wrist of forelimbs for small areas of swelling about an inch above the toes. Rotate neck up, down then side to side. Feel along back muscles either side of the spine then over the hips, check inner thighs for swelling or changes between the two sides. Look for bruising everywhere

 

If you do this thoroughly you will find the problem then you can make decision if you know how to sort it or need a vet.

Are you saying there are not guys who are specialists at this sort of stuff? Wow!!!!

My Dad was heavily into greyhounds for many years and knew how to rub a dog down after a run but he realised there were a few guys out there that could just look at a dog and know there's a problem.

The OP needs help with finding a problem and he needs to go to someone who knows what there doing......local bone man is the answer.

 

No I never said there are “not guys who are specialists at this sort of stuff” I used to be one! What I’m saying is that there are a lot more bad than good and even the good are often mistaken. How many times has a back man told someone their dogs back is out when really all it has is a muscle spasm ( see subluxation link). Local bone men are self-taught would you rather go to a self-taught physio or a real one? So if someone can find a real physio to treat their dogs then treat them like saints, but the average bad man ????

 

 

You are a bone man and likely as good as most that will charge you a fiver to make up a crap diagnosis. Go over your dog checking every joint.

 

Gently mobilising every one starting with the toes, then wrists checking bend, rotating and extension, move to elbow then shoulder then repeat on the other side, next go over back legs in a similar fashion. Feel all the muscles comparing one side to the next, look for heat, tenderness or withdrawing when you try to mobilise. Check pads to tiny holes etc. Check the area between the toes and wrist of forelimbs for small areas of swelling about an inch above the toes. Rotate neck up, down then side to side. Feel along back muscles either side of the spine then over the hips, check inner thighs for swelling or changes between the two sides. Look for bruising everywhere

 

If you do this thoroughly you will find the problem then you can make decision if you know how to sort it or need a vet.

It is not necessarily as easy as you make it sound. 'Rotating the neck' for example, is incredibly dangerous if someone who doesn't understand the mechanics of the vertebrae tries to do this. Too roughly done it may seriously damage the dog. And many people are unable to truly feel slight heat or hardness in a muscle: it can take a trained eye and hand to spot such problems. It's all very well, and sometimes very useful, to know how to check your own dog over, but I know that I'd sooner have a trained and experienced person look over my dog. It is also very easy to overlook something if you don't know what you are looking for: needle in a haystack.

 

Whilst there are some pretty useless bone men out there, there are also some highly trained and very experienced chiropractors who I'd trust to manipulate my dog. Surely someone on here can recommend a decent bone man in the OP's area?

 

It is pretty simple anyone with half a brain can learn to go over their dog. As to rotating a neck what harm is moving a joint through its normal range going to do, up and down then across. Of cause if a joint was broken one could do a lot of harm but anyone with half a brain should tell it’s painful for feck sake lol. After all a ”bone man will do just that and would as likely cause harm as the owner and as they tend to over extend the joint in reality it’s the idiot back man/chiro who will cause the problems, http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirostroke.html )

 

Basically the average bone men aren’t trained, not even as chiropractors or they would be chiropractors lol. In the main they are just kennel hands who work on out dated silly ideas like subluxations, (the spine being out of line https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vertebral_subluxation ). In comparison the average vet will have a reasonable understanding of dogs and will give an honest opinion as to what wrong or how to investigate if they don’t know. More importantly they shouldn’t just make up some gobbled gook and after pulling the dog about a bit, suggest some rest/lead walking in the knowledge that it will work in the majority of cases. Then let the gullible owner think, it was the “backman” rather than that a bit of caregiver placebo, ( http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/17_9/features/Your-dog-and-the-placebo-effect_21039-1.html ) and rest that brought about the miraculous recovery lol.

 

With many of these so called back men, recommending them is akin to suggesting one pops along to the local witch rather than go to a GP, alright for those worried well who like a bit of alternative mumbo jumbo but good for little else lol.

 

 

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