unclepesta 100 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 hi just thought i would link this can anyone clarify if the 120 2 victor is still legal to use on mink. spring trap approval 2012 does not show it in the list,its not mentioned.or am i missing something? can we still use em?? this guy posting yes you can use it as the 116 alternative, here the link is he including it incorrectly in this may 2015 post? http://www.ishootmag.com/features/pest-control-features/fenn-trap-alternatives/ Quote Link to post
OldTrapCollector 376 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 A good question ... If you find the answer I would be interested to hear it Quote Link to post
unclepesta 100 Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 A good question ... If you find the answer I would be interested to hear it im still waiting to find out but when i do i will post it up. 1 Quote Link to post
unclepesta 100 Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 A good question ... If you find the answer I would be interested to hear it heres the answer i received. Your query regarding the Victor Conibear 120-2 spring trap has been passed to me for response as I am the lead specialist on traps and trapping for Natural England. The Victor Conibear spring traps 110-2 and 120-2 were never actually listed on any of the Spring Traps Approval Orders because they are ‘clones’ of approved traps (the BMI Magnum traps) and are therefore automatically approved. Under Sec 2 of the Spring Traps Approval (England) Order 2012, any spring trap which is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in any entry in Column 1 of the Schedule, is approved. A spring trap is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in the Schedule if it corresponds to the spring trap so specified in construction, in materials, in impact force or momentum, and in all other respects which are relevant to its effect or manner of operation as a trap. The Spring Traps Approval Order 1995, was the first piece of legislation to approve the use of so-called ‘clones’. In 1997 Defra issued a press release with an amended list of approved traps, which included clones of types approved under the 1995 Order. It is probably within that press release that you saw the Victor Conibears listed. Defra also clarified that Species listed in Schedules 5 & 6 of WCA 1981 were excluded from the term ‘small ground vermin’. So in answer to your question…yes…the Victor Conibear 120-2 is approved for use against mink, provided it is set in a natural or artificial tunnel which is, in either case, suitable for the purpose. 2 Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,118 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Now available at Fourteenacre! http://www.fourteenacre.co.uk/shop/conibear-120-2-body-grip-traps/ Quote Link to post
john b 38 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 I agree with unclepesta and have received the same response from Natural England. There's an article in next weeks Countryman's Weekly which explains a bit more about where the lack of clarity came from and why these traps appeared briefly on a published DEFRA 'list'. It's worth pointing out that so far I have only had a response from Natural ENGLAND, so the position is unconfirmed for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,870 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Nice trap is the 120-2 3 Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,118 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 JD, where'd you buy from, if you don't mind me asking? Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,870 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 JD, where'd you buy from, if you don't mind me asking? I imported them mate, but can't remember which company, but in the USA. I import most of my traps and trap parts where I can. 1 Quote Link to post
john b 38 Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 If anyone still wants to know the story of why the traps were approved without being Approved, you can now read the article here. 2 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,870 Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 If anyone still wants to know the story of why the traps were approved without being Approved, you can now read the article here. Thanks for that John, it was a very interesting read. I suppose that it might be taken then that Bridger, Duke and Bellisle could also be taken as being clones. Quote Link to post
john b 38 Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet, I think we may see some further 'clarifications' in the coming weeks. What really puzzles me is why anyone thought it was a good idea to go to the trouble of naming specific 'clone' traps but then NOT to record that anywhere permanent and referenceable. 1 Quote Link to post
moxy 617 Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 It will be interesting to see the outcome. The Duke has the strongest spring I have come across. Quote Link to post
stealthy1 3,964 Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Nice trap is the 120-2 Are they the traps you dyed JD, or the ones you painted? Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,118 Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 It will be interesting to see the outcome. The Duke has the strongest spring I have come across. You ain't come across the Belisle then? 1 Quote Link to post
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