No Ifs Or Butts ..........

[BIGLURKS 874]

12 billion quid is the tax the government claims from smokers, 3 billion quid is what it costs the nhs to treat smoking related illnesses.

I'm not and never have been a smoker, you do the maths.

If everyone stopped smoking, eating shit and drinking alcohol tomorrow, where would the money come from to pay the parasites in parliament that leech off us.

They'd tax us for fecking breathing.

what you've failed too remember though there would be more alive and more claiming of benifets and clogging up the nhs if we wish too kill are self slowly it's are choice

[undisputed 1,664]

I'm old enough to remember the bad old days where folk would light up in restaurants while I was tryin to eat and the non-smoking section at the movies was across the opposite side of the cinema. Given the dangers associated with passive smoking it's only right that smokers have to go outside for a puff. No more coming home from the pub (or anywhere for that matter reeking of smoke. Folk want to eat shit, that's fine they're only harming themselves at the end of the day, smoking is another matter as I said the associated health risks. Still surprised at the amount of folk who smoke given what we know about it now and the damage it does. It's a lifestyle choice these days and was probably one of the only good things our government has done for us in banning it from public places..

Edited January 22, 2015 by undisputed

[Tiercel 6,986]

I'm old enough to remember the bad old days where folk would light up in restaurants while I was tryin to eat and the non-smoking section at the movies was across the opposite side of the cinema. Given the dangers associated with passive smoking it's only right that smokers have to go outside for a puff. No more coming home from the pub (or anywhere for that matter reeking of smoke. Folk want to eat shit, that's fine they're only harming themselves at the end of the day, smoking is another matter as I said the associated health risks. Still surprised at the amount of folk who smoke given what we know about it now and the damage it does. It's a lifestyle choice these days and was probably one of the only good things our government has done for us in banning it from public places..

So I take it that you will be willing to pay the extra tax, if we all give up smoking? Even though I am a smoker I do agree with some of what you say I would never, even before the ban light up in a restaurant, as I hate someone smoking when I am eating, and I smoke.

 

This is one law that imo is wrong, there should be smoking areas in pubs and clubs. Since the ban the only time I go out is weddings, christenings and funerals. I cannot believe that I am the only one who does this? So once again through a badly thought out law we who pay the most and on average take the least are being penalised. And what for, all to appease the moral minority?

 

TC

[bracken boy 584]

just the way i expected the smokers to act you just dont care about anybody else, just the thought of smoke itself tells me its gotta be crazy to try, by the way i drink but where? mainly nowdays my own fooking house.

Edited January 23, 2015 by bracken boy

[danw 1,748]

I used to smoke 40 tailored a day stopped when the kids where born I don't for one minute think smoking should be banned if we take the stance that every activity that causes a drain on the nhs is banned its going to be a pretty boring existence if folks want to smoke crack on ain't my business but please be considerate to those that chose not to partake

[bracken boy 584]

good post danw but thats the point im trying to make, some just have that chip on their shoulders, being conciderate in todays world is hard foe most..

[Blackbriar 8,568]

I agree ! If you want to smoke, that's your choice, but if you're addicted is it really a choice ????

[stealthy1 3,964]

Its the attitude of smokers that gets on my tits, the fact they think that they have a right to smoke and then ponce off the NHS when it all goes wrong. I had a relative in hospital not so long ago. And as I drove round the back of the hospital to the car park there were cancer patients outside wheeling their drips round while they had a fag, and worse than that, pregnant women sat on a bench smoking, not one or two, but around 20 pregnant mothers. So I now have no sympathy for smokers what so ever, you foolishly started your habit, and I've heard all the lame excuses for being week willed, and not being able to give up. And if I never have to listen another smoker hacking up a tombstone in the morning, I'll be a happy man.

[charlie caller 3,654]

12 billion quid is the tax the government claims from smokers, 3 billion quid is what it costs the nhs to treat smoking related illnesses.

I'm not and never have been a smoker, you do the maths.

If everyone stopped smoking, eating shit and drinking alcohol tomorrow, where would the money come from to pay the parasites in parliament that leech off us.

They'd tax us for fecking breathing.

If everyone stopped smoking, eating shit,and boozing, well you might not live to be 150 but it would fu**ing well feel like it,they want to try and get some of the crap out of the air, I wonder how much crap you breath in walking round an average city centre for an hour, buses, taxis, etc billowing out diesel fumes, anyway off for a fag.

[charlie caller 3,654]

Its the attitude of smokers that gets on my tits, the fact they think that they have a right to smoke and then ponce off the NHS when it all goes wrong. I had a relative in hospital not so long ago. And as I drove round the back of the hospital to the car park there were cancer patients outside wheeling their drips round while they had a fag, and worse than that, pregnant women sat on a bench smoking, not one or two, but around 20 pregnant mothers. So I now have no sympathy for smokers what so ever, you foolishly started your habit, and I've heard all the lame excuses for being week willed, and not being able to give up. And if I never have to listen another smoker hacking up a tombstone in the morning, I'll be a happy man.

The words of a must be nice to be without vices.

[Truther 1,579]

5 billion annual costs to the NHS for obesity related illness

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/reducing-obesity-and-improving-diet

 

They come out with all the "eat healthy" blurb, but in reality do little to stop the aggressive advertising of unhealthy junk food. It's all about profits, governments only legislate against any profitable commodity under extreme pressure

[Born Hunter 17,637]

I really do hate this philosophy we seem to have where it's the governments job to make decisions for us and protect us from everything. Responsibility for your health, life and actions should begin and end with the individual, not the government. But for some reason we have nurtured a society where it is expected that the government protect us from ourselves. I hate it!

 

The only job the government should concern itself with is protect it's citizens from 3rd party threats. By all means deal with the threat of passive smoking as that is a third party, educate the people as to the threats of smoking, but it is not and should never be the responsibility of the government to make such decisions on liberty for it's citizens. By continually penalising smokers for allegedly reasons of concern for the smoker is doing exactly that. It's an attack on our freedom.

 

This whole responsibility being taken away thing is the bane of modern society. Every time we allow the government to take responsibility for another of our actions we give away one more piece of our freedom.

 

All that said, FUKC smoking! I value my health and self far to much to even consider it.

[Truther 1,579]

Im saying the same thing BH, more or less anyway, its the disproportionate amount of stick smokers get, while the obese just carry on regardless? The figures above are official, i'm no mathematician but it looks like we spend 2 billion more on obesity than smoking in the NHS, more stick for the fatties i say mate

[Born Hunter 17,637]

Not just obesity, I'd be interested to see how much heart disease and cancers in general costs the tax payer and how much of it is preventable through pretty basic lifestyle changes.

 

People live in ignorance their whole lives, then come down with something serious and think they were just unlucky, or worse, that the government should have done more to help them change their bad ways. That whole responsibility thing again.

 

Bottom line, if we are going to have a socialist type health system, it becomes a bit difficult to then start picking and choosing who's eligible.

[bird 9,594]

Not just obesity, I'd be interested to see how much heart disease and cancers in general costs the tax payer and how much of it is preventable through pretty basic lifestyle changes.

 

People live in ignorance their whole lives, then come down with something serious and think they were just unlucky, or worse, that the government should have done more to help them change their bad ways. That whole responsibility thing again.

 

Bottom line, if we are going to have a socialist type health system, it becomes a bit difficult to then start picking and choosing who's eligible.

how about people who are over weight, but never gone hospital, worked 35 years paying taxes / and pay full national insurance as above 35-40 years . to me there not a drain on the NHS they keeping it going my wife over weight a lot, and prob in the next few years as she gets older, will need some sort of treatment , prob to help her , and so she should she contributed for 40 years to it, and she never smoked either .!!