keepitcovert 842 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 How do you feel about the goverment having access to your text messages and calls, and why the sudden rush to push this through. Seems strange that they need this information in the name of national security, but over 100 hundred files suddenly dissapeared relating to a goverment paedophile ring. big brother tactics or what. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dymented 2,220 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 they already have access to them 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Since the Snowdon saga GCHQ have not had the intelligence advantage over the terrorists that they did.... the Gov' are doing whatever they now can to regain that advantage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 they are rushing it through yes, but its not the right to snoop that's being rushed through as they already have those powers, its the right to continue using those powers until 2016 that's being rushed through before the summer recess Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wi11ow 2,657 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) its to late there watching viewing and taking note bug your phones cars and watch everything you write Edited July 11, 2014 by wi11ow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flipper_Al 1,012 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 This rushed through law does not affect the work that is carried out by GCHQ... who can do wtf they like Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marshman 7,756 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 This rushed through law does not affect the work that is carried out by GCHQ... who can do wtf they like although I agree GCHQ can do what they like if they gained intelligence from dubious practices it wouldn't stand up in a court of law , where they have to been seen to be playing by the rule book. I was speaking to a man from the MOD and he said was Snowden has set back intelligence years and put a lot of operatives in danger. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flipper_Al 1,012 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) He has... GCHQ, will look if they find anything then warrantys will be applied for....and while they cant use the original data, all other data will be admissable in court. Most of the early stuff they find is all via very cleaver software monitoring tools Edited July 11, 2014 by Flipper_Al 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 This rushed through law does not affect the work that is carried out by GCHQ... who can do wtf they like Won't effect them... hmmm... so internet and phone companys had to store customer data previously did they? What would happen if a com's company deleted archived data which was later found to be of interest to the intelligence services? Before the Snowdon saga GCHQ would have just taken what they wanted, since then the public have become more concerned about who's watching them and are putting pressure on companys that hold such data to protect them from big brother. This law simply ensures that the intel' services still have that capability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 He has... GCHQ, will look if they find anything then warrantys will be applied for....and while they cant use the original data, all other data will be admissable in court. Most of the early stuff they find is all via very cleaver software monitoring toolsSpot on. If they were to come across something that couldn't be used in a court of law it could probably be used to find something else that could. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 He has... GCHQ, will look if they find anything then warrantys will be applied for....and while they cant use the original data, all other data will be admissable in court. Most of the early stuff they find is all via very cleaver software monitoring toolsSpot on. If they were to come across something that couldn't be used in a court of law it could probably be used to find something else that could. True, but irrelevant to the law in question. GCHQ/MI5 won't be able to find jack shit if the data has legally been destroyed. Which is the purpose of this law, to ensure the data is available to the intel' service for up to a year, which is considered an absolutely critical time frame for many top end police and security service operations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mixedgrill 703 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 This rushed through law does not affect the work that is carried out by GCHQ... who can do wtf they likealthough I agree GCHQ can do what they like if they gained intelligence from dubious practices it wouldn't stand up in a court of law , where they have to been seen to be playing by the rule book. I was speaking to a man from the MOD and he said was Snowden has set back intelligence years and put a lot of operatives in danger. This rushed through law does not affect the work that is carried out by GCHQ... who can do wtf they likealthough I agree GCHQ can do what they like if they gained intelligence from dubious practices it wouldn't stand up in a court of law , where they have to been seen to be playing by the rule book. I was speaking to a man from the MOD and he said was Snowden has set back intelligence years and put a lot of operatives in danger.BALLS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteRabbit 112 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Excuse my ignorance but.... This being from the Gov who couldn't be trusted with laptops and CDs holding very important and classified information? So much for a "war on terror" when the Gov leave the key in the front door, blinds open and still leave the TV and lights on to scare away the burglars. I have no faith in our gov and it actually scares me when things come down to our personal information being intruded on or to be sold to the highest bidder to line their own pockets. I may be paranoid after my years of researching conspiracy theories but can anyone say there's not something sinister behind this? Please educate me if so White Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Got to be abit of a twat if speaking by texts and upto anything anyway surely? Everyone knows even deleted texts can be restored. Doubt most are upto anything serious enough that the gov would want to have a nose. Terror suspects are no doubt under obbo and have phone calls and texts checked anyway I bet. The question many will ask is, if you have nothing to hide then what's the problem? Not saying I agree with that theory though as no doubt we become more and more accepting that being spied on is the norm. Cash is already no good on public transport in london now. Not been any fuss over it or anything as everyone's slowly just got used to having an oyster anyway. How long until they do the same with paper money. Real large sums are moved digitally now anyway aren't they? Unless one of you knows where there's some worth while cash boxes lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,190 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Better stop the sex texts then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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