Saluki X Problem

[charlie boy 85]

very well said spookster

[DanRaistrick 53]

Thanks for the comments. I don't think people thoroughly understand the amount of time I have already put into her, and just think I cant be bothered and that's why I want to rehome her - this is not the case. I have been trying everything imaginable for the past 18 months, and have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours trying to work on her training. It may be a combination of both my flaws and the dogs, im man enough to admit that.

 

Also people commenting saying 75% recall is good - this is the standard I had her upto at around 18 months, which had been slow and steady improvements from being a pup. Then randomly one day she just started to ignore me and took off a bit, since then she had got worse and worse even when I tried to carry on with training she showed no interest whatsoever.

[skycat 6,172]

If you want to keep her then PLEASE, PLEASE get some outside help: we all need a bit of help from time to time. If you get in touch with Jim Greenwood: just Google him, he will be able to help you. There are very few lurcher trainers as good as he is, plus he does this for a living as well as being one of the nicest guys around. You only give up when you have explored ALL the options, and if you haven't tried getting help from a lurcher specialist then you haven't tried all the options. Just my opinion, if you really do want to keep the dog.

[teddog 59]

Unless I knew someone I would be going down the PTS route. Have you tried breaking her?? It's a process I'm not sure a Sal would take well but it works on some dogs.

no, don't it would be one unhappy dog.breaking her says it all.

[spookster1 24]

 

Unless I knew someone I would be going down the PTS route. Have you tried breaking her?? It's a process I'm not sure a Sal would take well but it works on some dogs.

no, don't it would be one unhappy dog.breaking her says it all.

 

thinking PTS would be preferable to "breaking her" ..............

[mushroom 12,388]

Bollocks! A dog that gets broken isn't necessarily unhappy at all

[arcticgun 4,548]

What is meant by breaking it?

[wirral countryman 2,110]

What is meant by breaking it?

I take it to mean be heavy handed and dominate it, I would advise against this action as it will not work with a strong minded saluki, a saluki type as a coursing dog is a far cry from the average mouching about lurcher, coursing lads don't need obedient, intelligent dogs used for ferreting and general knocking about woods etc and so long as they catch and have plenty of stamina then that's enough, all the positive saluki comments have been made by coursing lads were the expectation is so much lower and the need for obedience is less, out and out coursing dogs are a different beast than your average dog, WM

[spookster1 24]

Bollocks! A dog that gets broken isn't necessarily unhappy at all

I am confused, why would any living animal..humans included, be happy to be "broken"

I see you haven't explained the methods you use to "break a dog". Maybe best you keep it to

yourself

[nomoon 542]

 

What is meant by breaking it?

I take it to mean be heavy handed and dominate it, I would advise against this action as it will not work with a strong minded saluki, a saluki type as a coursing dog is a far cry from the average mouching about lurcher, coursing lads don't need obedient, intelligent dogs used for ferreting and general knocking about woods etc and so long as they catch and have plenty of stamina then that's enough, all the positive saluki comments have been made by coursing lads were the expectation is so much lower and the need for obedience is less, out and out coursing dogs are a different beast than your average dog, WM

 

got to disagree there wc i and others use salukis as they were intended,general purpose pot fillers,lurchers,call them what you like,and my expectations are higher than most,atb mc

[skycat 6,172]

Whilst I'd have to agree with part of your statement wirral countryman, in that coursing lads don't need etc etc, but I'd disagree with the 'intelligent' bid, and I'd qualify coursing lads with the words 'most'. May sound as though I'm nitpicking, but there's more than a few Saluki types doing much more than 'just' coursing. ALL of my best all round types had a good dose of Saluki blood in them and they were bred from 'proper' coursing stock, so perfectly capable of knocking over 3/3 good hares with fair law, as well as ferreting, foxing, lamping and mooching. Properly brought up, that kind of dog is superb, with the added advantage of being able to tackle more or less anything that gets up, big land or small. Problem is that many such dogs aren't given the chance to shine at many disciplines and are only ever slipped on long ears.

When you've had a decent Saluki type and seen how it can turn its hand to many tasks, including working as part of a team out mooching, using field and prey sense to be in the right place at the right time. The dogs I've had like this also had litter mates who appeared as thick as two short planks because all they'd ever done was long ears. It's all a matter of education and exposure.

[mushroom 12,388]

 

 

Bollocks! A dog that gets broken isn't necessarily unhappy at all

I am confused, why would any living animal..humans included, be happy to be "broken"

I see you haven't explained the methods you use to "break a dog". Maybe best you keep it to

yourself

don't be a tit mate some gundog trainers used to use their methods to break exceptionally stuborn dogs with great results me on the otherhand I don't need to, I'm pretty good when it comes to training dogs

[connerdaboss 20]

You tried whistling then running away? Worked for me lol

[bird 9,594]

 

 

Bollocks! A dog that gets broken isn't necessarily unhappy at all

I am confused, why would any living animal..humans included, be happy to be "broken"

I see you haven't explained the methods you use to "break a dog". Maybe best you keep it to

yourself

don't be a tit mate some gundog trainers used to use their methods to break exceptionally stuborn dogs with great results me on the otherhand I don't need to, I'm pretty good when it comes to training dogs

 

having been round few gundogs over the years at shoots (beating), I ve seen the guns + picker-ups using there dog ( labs, spaniel's ,gsp etc) and I would say in general there temps were far more harder than any type lurcher . Anything that's got running dog in its blood norm have quite sensitive soft temp, compare to any gundog breed . ok you get the odd soft temp lab or springer , and you can get hard headed type lurcher (bull.collie,beddy,etc) , but as the norm there not . so trying treat a lurcher as a gundog regards discipline, its pointless a lurcher couldn't take it like a strong mind lab or springer would , they be nervous wreak .lol never had saluki lurcher, and from what people say on here there might be worse being sensitive than other lurcherxs. and my 2 piss me off a lot with there temps, never mind a salukixs lol . ive seen guns hit there springer's quite hard if the dog run in, fook me ive only got shout at Bryn would piss of home, Buck as nearly as bad , get a lab proper dog lol.

[spookster1 24]

 

 

Bollocks! A dog that gets broken isn't necessarily unhappy at all

I am confused, why would any living animal..humans included, be happy to be "broken"

I see you haven't explained the methods you use to "break a dog". Maybe best you keep it to

yourself

don't be a tit mate some gundog trainers used to use their methods to break exceptionally stuborn dogs with great results me on the otherhand I don't need to, I'm pretty good when it comes to training dogs

 

I am the tit? Cause I don't need to "break dogs" I have seen some clips of gundog trainers..abuse it is and I wouldn't give them a hamster to take care of.... I am afraid I am thinking the person who thinks because some gundogs trainers use this method it is going to work to teach a saluki recall may be the one being the tit. I will try and find the clip of the gundog trainer that made its rounds on fb...the guy was proud of himself for bullying and abusing a spaniel. Brute force and ignorance. I guess you and I live in two different worlds...I obviously have different standards...

From what I have seen you don't have much support with your breaking advice on this thread?