BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I've had 4 from Hancock in the last 30 years...the first two, away back in the 1980s were a Taffy 3/4 bred and a Richard Jones half x were picked up around the 7-8 week mark with no problems at all. The 3rd, a 3/4 bred Kubla pup, which I had in December 2010 was 15 weeks when we brought him home was a total and utter nightmare. Never seen anything like it. Long story all told on here before - strange thing was - he had a lot of ability - but his psychological problems were just too much...and that was simply down to a lack of socialisation. When we went to pick a pup they were all bold and brash and jumped up at the mesh on the kennel like they'd like to lick you to death....but as soon as you opened the door to go in amongst them...well, that was another matter...they all f****d off to the back of the pen....not good...I picked the best of the bunch but like I said, it was an utter nightmare. I picked my Finn dog up in May 2011 and he was just short of 7 weeks. I insisted on this and although I was 'advised' against this and was told it was at my own risk - he was perfect..... Simple truth is Hancock breeds hundreds of pups a year and he is what he is....but some of the older pups that he struggles to find homes for must be hard work when folk get them home. He's had a lot of older ones lately and looking at his site I have seen more nervous looking pups in the last wee while that ever before - some of them look terrified....and that's purely down to the fact that they are given little or no socialisation....and that's far from good. The 3/4 bred we had was a stunning big dog....with ability....and I hate saying it but when he broke his shoulder it was a huge sigh of relief...he would have stayed with us....my dog and I had to deal with it...and lived out his quirky stressful life with us...but life was so much better the day after the big dog died.... 2 Quote Link to post
fats 316 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Any more sired by merlin lads ? Quote Link to post
forest of dean redneck 11,190 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I've had 4 from Hancock in the last 30 years...the first two, away back in the 1980s were a Taffy 3/4 bred and a Richard Jones half x were picked up around the 7-8 week mark with no problems at all. The 3rd, a 3/4 bred Kubla pup, which I had in December 2010 was 15 weeks when we brought him home was a total and utter nightmare. Never seen anything like it. Long story all told on here before - strange thing was - he had a lot of ability - but his psychological problems were just too much...and that was simply down to a lack of socialisation. When we went to pick a pup they were all bold and brash and jumped up at the mesh on the kennel like they'd like to lick you to death....but as soon as you opened the door to go in amongst them...well, that was another matter...they all f****d off to the back of the pen....not good...I picked the best of the bunch but like I said, it was an utter nightmare. I picked my Finn dog up in May 2011 and he was just short of 7 weeks. I insisted on this and although I was 'advised' against this and was told it was at my own risk - he was perfect..... Simple truth is Hancock breeds hundreds of pups a year and he is what he is....but some of the older pups that he struggles to find homes for must be hard work when folk get them home. He's had a lot of older ones lately and looking at his site I have seen more nervous looking pups in the last wee while that ever before - some of them look terrified....and that's purely down to the fact that they are given little or no socialisation....and that's far from good. The 3/4 bred we had was a stunning big dog....with ability....and I hate saying it but when he broke his shoulder it was a huge sigh of relief...he would have stayed with us....my dog and I had to deal with it...and lived out his quirky stressful life with us...but life was so much better the day after the big dog died.... 2.jpg 4.jpg I noticed by their eyes they looked freaked out,also a few with ribs showing a lot, Shame he has a nice big black dog there says its friendly,but it was born oct/nov time so 5 months old,a lot of time lost on a whelp. Quote Link to post
Poacherspocket 189 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Its all about socialisation and breeding, if the only experience is a bad one and a sensitive breed. Greyhound pups tattooed with no ill effects and good home breeders dew claw their lurcher pups again without turning the pups nervy. Nervy dogs breed nevry pupsWhich is why i wont breeding from mine.If only more people had the same attitude as you. The collie bull whippet grey bitch my avatar is nervy as hell which is one major reason she is now spayed and will not be bred from. 1 Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I've had 4 from Hancock in the last 30 years...the first two, away back in the 1980s were a Taffy 3/4 bred and a Richard Jones half x were picked up around the 7-8 week mark with no problems at all. The 3rd, a 3/4 bred Kubla pup, which I had in December 2010 was 15 weeks when we brought him home was a total and utter nightmare. Never seen anything like it. Long story all told on here before - strange thing was - he had a lot of ability - but his psychological problems were just too much...and that was simply down to a lack of socialisation. When we went to pick a pup they were all bold and brash and jumped up at the mesh on the kennel like they'd like to lick you to death....but as soon as you opened the door to go in amongst them...well, that was another matter...they all f****d off to the back of the pen....not good...I picked the best of the bunch but like I said, it was an utter nightmare. I picked my Finn dog up in May 2011 and he was just short of 7 weeks. I insisted on this and although I was 'advised' against this and was told it was at my own risk - he was perfect..... Simple truth is Hancock breeds hundreds of pups a year and he is what he is....but some of the older pups that he struggles to find homes for must be hard work when folk get them home. He's had a lot of older ones lately and looking at his site I have seen more nervous looking pups in the last wee while that ever before - some of them look terrified....and that's purely down to the fact that they are given little or no socialisation....and that's far from good. The 3/4 bred we had was a stunning big dog....with ability....and I hate saying it but when he broke his shoulder it was a huge sigh of relief...he would have stayed with us....my dog and I had to deal with it...and lived out his quirky stressful life with us...but life was so much better the day after the big dog died.... 2.jpg 4.jpg I noticed by their eyes they looked freaked out,also a few with ribs showing a lot, Shame he has a nice big black dog there says its friendly,but it was born oct/nov time so 5 months old,a lot of time lost on a whelp. I have noticed that lately - quite a few ribby and starie eyed - the older black pup he has on there at the minute is a nice animal but I wouldn't fancy taking it on...could be a pile hassle...no matter how friendly he says it is it's missed out on a whole pile of stuff... 1 Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,736 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Buying in a new pup can be a traumatic experience,..often fraught with danger, and made even more difficult, when you don't really know anything of any worthwhile relevance,.. about a young'un's illustrious Ma and Pa... In my experience,...the success or failure of lurchers bred,. on masse,..in this manner,..often falls on the shoulders of the Greyhound Dam as solely opposed to the Sire,..in fact,..a nervy or spooky greyhound bitch,..(or one from parents who exhibit this trait,...can definitely pass it on)...so,..the long and the short of it is,..some Greyhound bitches consistently produce sane and sensible, well adjusted jukels,..and unfortunately,..some obviously don't....and that is the gamble... Rearing and early socialisation obviously plays a massive part in how a lurcher sees the world, for the rest of his life,..but there is no substitute, for a bold inquisitive demeanor and a naturally friendly attitude... In my opinion,..'Temperament is King'... Edited March 17, 2014 by Phil Lloyd 8 Quote Link to post
dog45 33 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 nice healthy looking pups is them Quote Link to post
sawyer 94 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Seems to be a pattern. The longer the pups are locked away unsocialised the worse they are. When i went the littl pups like 3-5 weeks were very friendly and flying around but the older pups 6 weeks and older were all hiding and scared. There was one lovely looking bitch around 4. Month who was even worse! Quote Link to post
krawnden 1,036 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I've only been to Hancock's place once and that was 6 or 7 years ago. He took me into a pen with a litter of 8 week pups and they wouldn't come up to him. He was trying to tell me he thought this one particular pup would suit me, so he slowly sidled over towards it and once he'd managed to get pretty much above it he suddenly pounced on it. The poor wee thing near enough shat itself in terror. I've never seen anything like it. I made my excuses and walked away. IMO socialisation is of the utmost importance and I personally wouldn't want to chance taking on a pup that had been reared that way. I daresay plenty of them turn out fine, but I'm not prepared to risk ending up with a basket case. 1 Quote Link to post
forest of dean redneck 11,190 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Buying in a new pup can be a traumatic experience,..often fraught with danger, and made even more difficult, when you don't really know anything of any worthwhile relevance,.. about a young'un's illustrious Ma and Pa... In my experience,...the success or failure of lurchers bred,. on masse,..in this manner,..often falls on the shoulders of the Greyhound Dam as solely opposed to the Sire,..in fact,..a nervy or spooky greyhound bitch,..(or one from parents who exhibit this trait,...can definitely pass it on)...so,..the long and the short of it is,..some Greyhound bitches consistently produce sane and sensible, well adjusted jukels,..and unfortunately,..some obviously don't....and that is the gamble... Rearing and early socialisation obviously plays a massive part in how a lurcher sees the world, for the rest of his life,..but there is no substitute, for a bold inquisitive demeanor and a naturally friendly attitude... In my opinion,..'Temperament is King'... Did you breed them Phil? Quote Link to post
samba 534 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 always thought if you haven't bred the litter yourself at home and you are getting a pup from somewhere else get it asap imo 5/6weeks a great age to get a pup leave them till they are older then some pups might end up shy if left in a kennel Quote Link to post
weasle 1,119 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Seems wrong to be breeding pups and not even trying to do a bit with them, to me,There on the back foot from the start, even worse leaving pups 0f 3-6 months old rotting in a shed. I bred a litter i nearly lived with em and when i wasnt they had a radio playing. As said a working dog needs to be confident. 2 Quote Link to post
snogoose58 6 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I have a dog out of merlin no probs realy confident Quote Link to post
echo 24 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Have a look on the hancock facebook page Quote Link to post
pro keeper 111 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 i picked my pup at 8 weeks to the day i wanted a pup from Alex because he has put out some nice stuff the best way to choose a pup from hancock is to go in the pen take note which pup is interested in playing if you can find one i choose on confidence not looks and one that will chase my hand at the time hancock said i am surprised any play with you!!!! two or 3 from the litter wanted to play i looked at the 3 then went on conformation choosing the pup that came to me first, then i kept the pup in the house and around the kid for about a month now its a right cocky gob shite as it should be, Quote Link to post
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