shropshire dan 467 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 To be quite honest if I was a young lad on the street wanting a status dog I wouldn't get a little 20-25kg staff or a 35kg pitbul I'd get a 60+ kg mastiff. Young lads get these dogs because of the label they have been given by media and people saying it looks hard to own one. People who hang round the streets with dogs made to be aggresive should be rounded up and made to run in a meat suit whilst their aggresive dogs chase and chew the ass off of them 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire dan 467 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Totaly agree Billy (Kruby01) As do I no of someone who owns pits and they are great dogs. Although same with any breed upbringing is key. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kruby01 114 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Exactly Dan, yes different breeds have different 'properties' but I believe upbringing plays more part in temperament than genetics Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,616 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Gnasher, from some of your previous posts I suspect that you know an awful lot more about pits and their crosses than I do. Just interested in your opinion, do you think that they can be trusted in a family situation or do you think that their inherent game drive is just too intense. I think your previous comment was well put, about all bull breeds being labelled together. Having said that I do agree with the deed not breed principle. It would be good to get a straight from the hip opinion from someone who "knows" the breed Huan72 i probably have a bit of a bias view as i admire the working ability of a pit bull far more than the pet side so i might not be the best person to ask.....i never kept them indoors around kids they were in kennels/runs as were anyone elses i knew who admired the breed like i did.......i know and can fully accept some of them make great house dogs and are as reliable as any other breed around kids,they can have enough intelligence and self confidence not to get worked up like many dogs can..........but......if im perfectly honest i dont think the breed as a whole make good house dogs.....there are just too many pressures within the family home that the inbuilt drive and desire to let off steam in whatever form that takes thats within these dogs is just too much in my opinion............now im talking about pure bred American Pit Bull Terriers not crosses.....i cant say for crosses as ive never owned one...........but the majority of the Pit Bulls that came here were relatively close up historically to active sporting dogs that were doing battle within the last few generations.......so that means that urge to compete,that desire for contact was still very strong........over the years they have been here some of that has been bred out due to the pet market.......but like i say it is still up close enough in their background to show itself from time to time..........and while it doesnt necessarily relate directly to aggression towards people.....its pushing the dog to its limits tolerance wise to try to curb hundreds of years of selective instinct.......sorry for the long winded reply i often get carried away when talking bulldogs ...but no,in my opinion on the whole they do not make good pet/family dogs. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,616 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Exactly Dan, yes different breeds have different 'properties' but I believe upbringing plays more part in temperament than genetics Thats as may be in dogs bred with no purpose..........but dogs bred for purpose throughout the generations nature will often play a far bigger part than nurture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kruby01 114 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Exactly Dan, yes different breeds have different 'properties' but I believe upbringing plays more part in temperament than genetics Thats as may be in dogs bred with no purpose..........but dogs bred for purpose throughout the generations nature will often play a far bigger part than nurture. So why is it then that the dog men on here buy lurchers or terriers from working lines then after a season pts because it hadn't made the mark? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huan72 687 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Gnasher, from some of your previous posts I suspect that you know an awful lot more about pits and their crosses than I do. Just interested in your opinion, do you think that they can be trusted in a family situation or do you think that their inherent game drive is just too intense. I think your previous comment was well put, about all bull breeds being labelled together. Having said that I do agree with the deed not breed principle. It would be good to get a straight from the hip opinion from someone who "knows" the breed I know that wasn't aimed at me however I am from Liverpool originally and there is hundreds of pits there and I know a lot of people who have them and they have lived and died with families and kids without a hiccup. They are bred to protect people they pose no threat in family life if raised correctly they are just another dog. Breed is completely irrelevant! There are tiger cubs born from a wild feral tiger but the cub is raised in captivity and can't be released because its too friendly. Its the same with dogs, raise it right and you'll have a loving family member regardless of breed! Many thanks for the reply, I personally don't believe in the extermination of any breed, it just goes against the grain for me. As you say, deed not breed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huan72 687 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Gnasher, from some of your previous posts I suspect that you know an awful lot more about pits and their crosses than I do. Just interested in your opinion, do you think that they can be trusted in a family situation or do you think that their inherent game drive is just too intense. I think your previous comment was well put, about all bull breeds being labelled together. Having said that I do agree with the deed not breed principle. It would be good to get a straight from the hip opinion from someone who "knows" the breed Huan72 i probably have a bit of a bias view as i admire the working ability of a pit bull far more than the pet side so i might not be the best person to ask.....i never kept them indoors around kids they were in kennels/runs as were anyone elses i knew who admired the breed like i did.......i know and can fully accept some of them make great house dogs and are as reliable as any other breed around kids,they can have enough intelligence and self confidence not to get worked up like many dogs can..........but......if im perfectly honest i dont think the breed as a whole make good house dogs.....there are just too many pressures within the family home that the inbuilt drive and desire to let off steam in whatever form that takes thats within these dogs is just too much in my opinion............now im talking about pure bred American Pit Bull Terriers not crosses.....i cant say for crosses as ive never owned one...........but the majority of the Pit Bulls that came here were relatively close up historically to active sporting dogs that were doing battle within the last few generations.......so that means that urge to compete,that desire for contact was still very strong........over the years they have been here some of that has been bred out due to the pet market.......but like i say it is still up close enough in their background to show itself from time to time..........and while it doesnt necessarily relate directly to aggression towards people.....its pushing the dog to its limits tolerance wise to try to curb hundreds of years of selective instinct.......sorry for the long winded reply i often get carried away when talking bulldogs ...but no,in my opinion on the whole they do not make good pet/family dogs. Many thanks Gnasher for the comprehensive reply, the whole nature/nurture thing...............that's a whole debate in itself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,188 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 A hand grenade is perfectly safe until someone pulls the pin out.......then it will kill you stone dead. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I've known a few dogs that were just born bad,good owners,well raised from being pups,well fed and exercised etc But the dogs were unsafe for anyone to be around for anyone,let alone a child. All of them bar one had 'bull' in the name of thier breed. I like the breed too,and of course they're not all like that but has anyone else found this to be the case? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kruby01 114 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Another point for thought: Pit bulls are banned and seized every day under the dangerous dogs act as they are "born killers" more than % of siezed dogs get put on an exempt list and get sent home as they dont pose a great risk..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,616 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Exactly Dan, yes different breeds have different 'properties' but I believe upbringing plays more part in temperament than geneticsThats as may be in dogs bred with no purpose..........but dogs bred for purpose throughout the generations nature will often play a far bigger part than nurture. So why is it then that the dog men on here buy lurchers or terriers from working lines then after a season pts because it hadn't made the mark? Because nature doesnt build things perfect.......if it was only about the upbringing why bother breeding worker to worker at all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kruby01 114 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 So a dog not from working lines can't be trained to work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,616 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I've known a few dogs that were just born bad,good owners,well raised from being pups,well fed and exercised etc But the dogs were unsafe for anyone to be around for anyone,let alone a child. All of them bar one had 'bull' in the name of thier breed. I like the breed too,and of course they're not all like that but has anyone else found this to be the case? And got the scars to prove it !.............The term " theres no bad dogs just bad owners "......has to be the most stupidly naive phrase anyone could ever of come up with !.......Anything born of nature has the ability to be born good......or bad...........physical or mental. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,616 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 So a dog not from working lines can't be trained to work? Of course it can........but common sense tells you dogs bred for work are likely to produce more and better than dogs bred to sit on the sofa. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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