whippet 99 2,613 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Yep if you want to race dogs then get into whippet or greyhound racing and leave the humble working dog to have a fair chance racing against dogs of his own kind ... I have only been to one show in the last 7or 8 years and that was this year to get my pup a bit of socialising and the amount of pure running dogs being lined up to race as lurchers was ridiculous ........ this is the point,............whippet/greyhound racing ,..........fair enough but too bring pures to win at shows is pathetic and don't prove nothing,...........for one ,...has anyone been able to run a sight hound at any show this year with the heat............doubt it..... people take it too seriously ,..........how can it be fair when your slipping your own dog,.........I personally find it pointless...... the exspereince lurcher wont run a lure properly anyway...........you put the real deal in front of it and see the difference..... this is the first time on here I have seen a thread on breeding for a racing lurcher.........I personally got no time for it ,.........as its as bad as breeding for show purposes and not for the field,................which means there will be plenty of shite getting bred for the wrong reason as the same as show ponys......... I know this is true because I got a show bred dog off someone up north ,...........and it aint won any fooking shows............ Quote Link to post
day worker 296 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I can't beleave I'm about to say this but I quite enjoy the straight racing! The problem with it is that it's the same people week in week out with a dog for every show category and a dog for every race! I find its quite clicky and when I turned up with denzel and he was winning well f**k me if looks could kill! Quote Link to post
B.P.R 2,798 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 IMO theres feck all wrong with a bit of racing... lure coursing and the likes... if you go to a club and do it...within the rules... Its also good... to watch the dogs on the lure...keeps them fit... Ive got into the whippet racing a little more...since i was sickened with the lurchers accident.... I enjoy watching my dog run.... But she will be out ferreting over the winter and then maybe back doing a bit if racing in the summer... Theres no harm in it... doesnt hurt anybody .... Think theres also a BIG difference... in the detremental effects that show breeding is having on working dogs as apposed to racing dogs... Theres a difference in breeding from a dog because it looks good...has a good coat and good posture.... And breeding from a dog because it goes like a rocket... Surely theres a place...for injecting a bit of speed into a lurcher... by way of a fast/driven whippet x grey...and the likes... Would certainly beat a crufts winning shitehound any day.... Just my humble opinion ofcourse 1 Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 IMO theres feck all wrong with a bit of racing... lure coursing and the likes... if you go to a club and do it...within the rules... Its also good... to watch the dogs on the lure...keeps them fit... Ive got into the whippet racing a little more...since i was sickened with the lurchers accident.... I enjoy watching my dog run.... But she will be out ferreting over the winter and then maybe back doing a bit if racing in the summer... Theres no harm in it... doesnt hurt anybody .... Think theres also a BIG difference... in the detremental effects that show breeding is having on working dogs as apposed to racing dogs... Theres a difference in breeding from a dog because it looks good...has a good coat and good posture.... And breeding from a dog because it goes like a rocket... Surely theres a place...for injecting a bit of speed into a lurcher... by way of a fast/driven whippet x grey...and the likes... Would certainly beat a crufts winning shitehound any day.... Just my humble opinion ofcourse Yer mate. The gist is just. . . . if you have a specially line bred racing dog. . . . don't go touring round the country, thinking youre billy big bollocks, because you beat some bull x's, collie x's and other types. Go and race some proper dogs and go find out what you got. That's not aimed at you. You have a working dog, that also happens to be fast as feck. . . .why not race it. Quote Link to post
skycat 6,172 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Get a 3/4 greyhound 1/4 whippet/collie etc cover it with a greyhound and the pup out of that with a greyhound and the pup out of that again with a greyhound keep doing this for another 3+generations. that's what all the racing nuts in my part of the world are doing and claiming its a lurchers. If your just into racing grow a set and get a greyhound and get amongst the big boys instead of spoiling working lurcher races with your greyhound sorry (lurcher) Ya I think you might be onto something. HAHA! Great post. It's unbelievable what you see at game fairs here people taking 7+ dog up so they have a dog to race in every class most of them being full greyhounds or very near it and eloctrolytes the give to a dog before a race when all it's doing is sprinting for 300 yards and back in the trailer. They take it far to serious and all they win is a bag of dog food and a rosette. Can't understand why they don't race greyhounds at least there would be good money in it for winning Cuz 99% of them don't wanna spend the money that it takes to go big time plus the fact they don't know what the hell they are doing actually combined with the fact they actually gotta race other greyhounds. HAHA! I remember, a long time ago and the last time I ever watched any racing, there was one guy with a van full of racing dogs, Whippety type things, and he went past me saying that he couldn't understand why his bitch had lost: it was very obvious that she had a massive lump of scar tissue on the inside of her hind leg from a previously torn gracilis muscle. One of the most common injuries, and the owner had no idea of the existence of this in his own dog: says it all. Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I would love to have a go at this on the odd weekend for a bit of fun and to help with the dogs fitness but I cant find anywhere near me that does it. I dont agree with these muppets entering purpose bred race dogs into the races at working lurcher shows though. As said, just get a greyhound and do it properly Quote Link to post
jf1970 328 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 It's nothing to do with that I enjoy racing dogs myself it people spoiling the lurcher world by breeding racing bred lurchers that don't work I view it in the same way as someone breeding a 10 month old dog do you really think that? Quote Link to post
riohog 5,621 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I don't race my dogs never have done ,anyway it is very big in mainland Europe . with clubs in most regions .some simulated coursing , and ovel tracks , its a big thing and folk take the job seriously travelling all over Europe to compete , ive been to a few races , over there the clubs , have bars food , toilets and vets on site a good social event sometimes lasting all weekend so I see nothing wrong with it atall better than the dogs laying in a kennel or on the sofa all there lives !! 2 Quote Link to post
Westy76 546 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I don't race my dogs never have done ,anyway it is very big in mainland Europe . with clubs in most regions .some simulated coursing , and ovel tracks , its a big thing and folk take the job seriously travelling all over Europe to compete , ive been to a few races , over there the clubs , have bars food , toilets and vets on site a good social event sometimes lasting all weekend so I see nothing wrong with it atall better than the dogs laying in a kennel or on the sofa all there lives !!Agree with you there,any lurcher I find homes for at the kennels I help out at I always point them in the direction of the local lure coursing clubs.Some like it some dont see the point in the same way some dogs will run some just dont see a placcy bag worth the hassle,I'd rather see someone take on a dog and do something with it. Quote Link to post
riohog 5,621 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 like I said I don't race , but this ia a picture of my bitch when she was 6month old , I used to take her to the races when I was in Germany , a good weekend and at the time good for socialising the young bitch ... oh and the beer was good and cold this was at the reenebahnn hamburg 2 Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 theres a big difference in breeding from proven working dogs than there is racing dogs,..............don't get me wrong ,........ex racers turn into good workers,.........but a decent lurcher will fill the freezer and that's the whole point of a lurcher being a lurcher , having it cross bred from terriers/collies/etc,etc. ................lurcher racing is just a bit of fun , but you will always get the rosette chasers ,..........what don't prove anything of a dogs working ability..........if pure sight hounds were that good at hunting everyone would be using them .......and some do,.........but the whole point of the lurcher was to fill a the game bag with what ever you, desire,......hence your make up of your lurcher...... Quote Link to post
birddog 1,354 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 we could argue till the cows come home about the whole racing thing bottom line is if your not happy don't enter and to answer the original posters question if i were wanting to go round fairs and shows racing to win i'd try and find an oversize (35 or 40lb) non ped Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Had my young bitch out on the lamp last night for her second time and she filled a bag full,of rabbits for me and only missed three rabbits all night ... Would she win a race at her age against these dogs bred for racing ... Not a chance ... Would one of these have filled a bag for me last night ... Probably not ... I know which I would rather in my kennel ...... 1 Quote Link to post
Westy76 546 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I understand what your saying but its all a bit of fun and banter for most taking part at shows clubs are a bit different from what I've seen but they still get to run and do something and I think we'd all agree surely that's better than a rescue falling into the hands of a fur mum while telling all who'll listen she can't let her dog of a lead ever as it was made to hunt!!! Now that boils my piss Quote Link to post
Tom Pickering 28 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I see why people who have owned working Lurchers for a number of years get a bit piss*d off when they attend shows - either with their dogs or not. Only being in my middle 20's I only get to see my pictures my parents took 30 years ago of Lambourn and shows friends helped with in the 80's.. You can defiantly see the change in stamp/breed of today's Lurcher; being breed for different purposes I attend quite a few gamefairs; I help a club and run my own show for 'LurcherLink' - I am very pleased I do as I have meet some great people and enjoy having a laugh in the evenings once the public have cleared off until the next morning I think now I just respect the owners choice of what they do with their dogs, as long as its 'looked after' then no problems as far as I am concerned. I prefer the racing to showing but always think 'wonder what that can do in the field or not' When I run my charity show I do category racing which I finds promotes the non racing dogs to attend and gives others a chance - I do Veterans, Rescue, Rough; as well as the normal unders/overs.. I breed my little bitch a couple of years ago with 5 going within 15 miles of home also knowing the owners - I had to advertise the last pup on here which went to a very good working home up Bolton way. The main point being they would be looked after - leave it up to the owner if they wanted to Work, Race or even just be a Pet. Heres 3 from the litter; Black pup I advertised on the site. Celt out last season but only 14/15 months so owner pleased with progress Rough dog pup - Non worker but similar to dams brother which I own and sure could of made a reasonable working dog Smooth fawn bitch - Thrown to the sire, owned by my mums best friend who used to go out coursing years ago but getting to old (hope she doesn't see this) generally just races, wouldn't class as a worker but has retrieved some larger quarry. http://www.(!64.56:886/photo.php?fbid=561157517248332&set=a.561156467248437.1073741876.426147437416008&type=3&theater This post is just my opinion and doesn't really prove much but I personally can't see anything changing on how some of today's Lurchers are being breed. Just keep on doing what you enjoy and try not worry too much about others 3 Quote Link to post
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