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Has anyone used this cross and if so how do they go compared to either pure breed, cheers.

Why would you want to cross them? A good GWP will do anything a lab can and a lot more.

 

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Has anyone used this cross and if so how do they go compared to either pure breed, cheers.

 

Why would you want to cross them? A good GWP will do anything a lab can and a lot more.

 

TC

Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

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Has anyone used this cross and if so how do they go compared to either pure breed, cheers.

Why would you want to cross them? A good GWP will do anything a lab can and a lot more.

 

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Don't know about Lab x but i'm using a GWPxspringer and is the best dog in my kennel. Pick up with her on shoots and she points on the moor, she looks like a GWP but lacks a wee bit of height. Some keepers are wondering if I would put her to a GWP, want a pup out of her but not sure if i'll breed her due to her being a first x.

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Has anyone used this cross and if so how do they go compared to either pure breed, cheers.

Why would you want to cross them? A good GWP will do anything a lab can and a lot more.

 

TC

Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

 

Blind retrieve over water, ok only training a young dog. But he went on to retrieve better than most Labs, and found 'lost' birds better than all the spaniels on the shoot. Sadly I lost him to lung worm when he was just 4 years old.

 

I have had a couple of GWP and they are all different none of them have the same strength in each disapline.

 

The problem with a lot of people is they do not trust the dog to do what it can do, a lot of people who I have picked up with are nothing but control freaks. It is though they have to be seen in control and the dog has to do what they say. To a certain extent you must have the dog under control, but being in control does not mean your on the whistle every time the dog moves. It looks flashy but does not find lost birds.

 

I have lost count of the times when a dog is on the scent of a wounded bird the handler has different ideas to where the bird is to the dog and they have pulled them off the scent, instead of trusting the dog, and that goes for all breeds.

 

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The gutter at that point with the tide in is about 25 yards across.

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Has anyone used this cross and if so how do they go compared to either pure breed, cheers.

Why would you want to cross them? A good GWP will do anything a lab can and a lot more.

 

TC

Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

Blind retrieve over water, ok only training a young dog. But he went on to retrieve better than most Labs, and found 'lost' birds better than all the spaniels on the shoot. Sadly I lost him to lung worm when he was just 4 years old.

 

I have had a couple of GWP and they are all different none of them have the same strength in each disapline.

 

The problem with a lot of people is they do not trust the dog to do what it can do, a lot of people who I have picked up with are nothing but control freaks. It is though they have to be seen in control and the dog has to do what they say. To a certain extent you must have the dog under control, but being in control does not mean your on the whistle every time the dog moves. It looks flashy but does not find lost birds.

 

I have lost count of the times when a dog is on the scent of a wounded bird the handler has different ideas to where the bird is to the dog and they have pulled them off the scent, instead of trusting the dog, and that goes for all breeds.

 

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TC

Well that's a lot better than your last statement... Lol

I agree with you on the handling of dogs. I get my dogs to where I last saw the bird drop and then its up to them. Countless times I've seen dogs over worked. I just wait till they give up and go get it...:-)

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Don't know about Lab x but i'm using a GWPxspringer and is the best dog in my kennel. Pick up with her on shoots and she points on the moor, she looks like a GWP but lacks a wee bit of height. Some keepers are wondering if I would put her to a GWP, want a pup out of her but not sure if i'll breed her due to her being a first x.

 

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Has anyone used this cross and if so how do they go compared to either pure breed, cheers.

Why would you want to cross them? A good GWP will do anything a lab can and a lot more.

 

TC

Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

Blind retrieve over water, ok only training a young dog. But he went on to retrieve better than most Labs, and found 'lost' birds better than all the spaniels on the shoot. Sadly I lost him to lung worm when he was just 4 years old.

 

I have had a couple of GWP and they are all different none of them have the same strength in each disapline.

 

The problem with a lot of people is they do not trust the dog to do what it can do, a lot of people who I have picked up with are nothing but control freaks. It is though they have to be seen in control and the dog has to do what they say. To a certain extent you must have the dog under control, but being in control does not mean your on the whistle every time the dog moves. It looks flashy but does not find lost birds.

 

I have lost count of the times when a dog is on the scent of a wounded bird the handler has different ideas to where the bird is to the dog and they have pulled them off the scent, instead of trusting the dog, and that goes for all breeds.

 

2005_1203marsh0007.jpg

 

2005_1203marsh0008.jpg

 

2005_1203marsh0009.jpg

 

 

2005_1203marsh0019.jpg

 

TC

Well that's a lot better than your last statement... Lol

I agree with you on the handling of dogs. I get my dogs to where I last saw the bird drop and then its up to them. Countless times I've seen dogs over worked. I just wait till they give up and go get it...:-)

 

As Punch said !

 

Thats the way to do it !

 

Most of the time the dogs seen as much as me regarding the fall,it shouldn't be asking me for help....

 

But it is nice to also be able to nail a dog down on a Tucked in bird !!

 

Spot on Mr Legend Larsson...

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Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

 

Why? Does the title HPR not give you a clue as to what the dogs in the right hands can do?

 

TC

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Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

 

Why? Does the title HPR not give you a clue as to what the dogs in the right hands can do?

 

TC

 

Like i said each breed to their own specialty,i`ve only seen 2 HPR breeds actually used in the picking up mode.And while we are on the subject of picking up..there are 2 categories of picking up, hoovers and pickers up for long distance birds that have flown on !" Each picker up plays a very important part on the shoot day of which the shoot could not function efficiently without the two working together "..

But reading,and as you seem to be an exponent of the HPR breed could you answer me this question :" In the right hands " does the HPR dog know the difference between wounded game and game just sitting tight..As i have little experience of the breed,i was just asking your advice.

 

Thanks...

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Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

Why? Does the title HPR not give you a clue as to what the dogs in the right hands can do?

 

TC

 

Like i said each breed to their own specialty,i`ve only seen 2 HPR breeds actually used in the picking mode.And while we are on the subject of picking up..there are 2 types of picking up, hoovers and long distance birds that have flown on !" Each picker plays a very important part on the shoot day of which the shoot could not function efficiently "..

But reading as you seem to be an exponent of the HPR breed could you answer me this question : In the right hands does the dog know the difference between wounded game and for example game sitting tight..As i have little experience of the breed,i was just asking your advice.

 

Thanks...

 

Hi, 1 0f my gwp and wee gwp x can tell the difference between wounded and sitting game. If they come on a pricked bird and it runnes or tries to fly they wont stop till they pick it, but if they come on a healthy bird and it runs they are not pushed on chasing it down, cheers.

I think unless you actually have a GWP you don't realise how good at retrieving they are and how much brains they have.

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Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

Why? Does the title HPR not give you a clue as to what the dogs in the right hands can do?

 

TC

Like i said each breed to their own specialty,i`ve only seen 2 HPR breeds actually used in the picking mode.And while we are on the subject of picking up..there are 2 types of picking up, hoovers and long distance birds that have flown on !" Each picker plays a very important part on the shoot day of which the shoot could not function efficiently "..

But reading as you seem to be an exponent of the HPR breed could you answer me this question : In the right hands does the dog know the difference between wounded game and for example game sitting tight..As i have little experience of the breed,i was just asking your advice.

 

Thanks...

Hi, 1 0f my gwp and wee gwp x can tell the difference between wounded and sitting game. If they come on a pricked bird and it runnes or tries to fly they wont stop till they pick it, but if they come on a healthy bird and it runs they are not pushed on chasing it down, cheers.

I think unless you actually have a GWP you don't realise how good at retrieving they are and how much brains they have.

Sorry..... Don't believe you.

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Tiercel,

Your first point is valid,myself can't understand why some one would want to cross s gundog breed,each has their own place..

As for your second point.I wouldn't train nor expect a Lab to quarter and point nor would I expect a pointer to retrieve a runner 600yrds away over wire fences and burns...

Why? Does the title HPR not give you a clue as to what the dogs in the right hands can do?

 

TC

 

Like i said each breed to their own specialty,i`ve only seen 2 HPR breeds actually used in the picking mode.And while we are on the subject of picking up..there are 2 types of picking up, hoovers and long distance birds that have flown on !" Each picker plays a very important part on the shoot day of which the shoot could not function efficiently "..

But reading as you seem to be an exponent of the HPR breed could you answer me this question : In the right hands does the dog know the difference between wounded game and for example game sitting tight..As i have little experience of the breed,i was just asking your advice.

 

Thanks...

 

Hi, 1 0f my gwp and wee gwp x can tell the difference between wounded and sitting game. If they come on a pricked bird and it runnes or tries to fly they wont stop till they pick it, but if they come on a healthy bird and it runs they are not pushed on chasing it down, cheers.

I think unless you actually have a GWP you don't realise how good at retrieving they are and how much brains they have.

 

Sorry..... Don't believe you.

 

Why would I lie.

I think labs are good retrievers, but they are not the only dogs that can retrieve, If you asked the question and I answered it and you replied with don't believe you, then why did you ask mate?

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